How deep does thermodynamics go? And how much would a chemist know?

In summary: I would recommend that you take these classes, even if you don't plan on specializing in chemistry.Thermodynamics is a vast and complex topic with a lot of different sub-disciplines. It's not possible to be an expert in all of them, but if you're interested in the topic, then taking classes in related areas will help you get a better understanding.Thermodynamics is a vast and complex topic with a lot of different sub-disciplines. It's not possible to be an expert in all of them, but if you're interested in the topic, then taking classes in related areas will help you get a better understanding.
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TL;DR Summary: I'm trying to understand what research fields I would have access to as a person who's majoring in chemistry. So how deep does thermodynamics go and how much of a foothold could I get into research on it as someone who's majoring in chemistry? Or is it really only accessible to physics majors? (non-equilibrium thermo, don't know if that makes a difference) I ask because there is a research group on non-equilibrium systems at the college I'm attending.

I'm trying to understand what research fields I would have access to as a person who's majoring in chemistry, and non-equilibrium thermodynamics has caught my attention since some professors at my college are doing research on it. I'm not at all educated on the topic, but it seems to have interesting applications in chemical kinetics and biology and I'm wondering if I would have access to the field as someone majoring in chemistry?

Thermodynamics seems to be an bottomless well of knowledge, so would this field be more favorable towards people trained in physics? Or would my pchem classes allow me a foothold in this area of research?

Also, what does the landscape of thermodynamics as a subject look like? I know there is some pretty set in stone classical understandings of the field, but statistical mechanics (whatever that is, again very clueless here) and this non-linear/non-equilibrium thermodynamics seems to present a new frontier of knowledge. Is that correct? Specifically in regards to non-equilibrium thermodynamics, do these systems present themselves more often in applications of thermodynamics (and would it follow that someone could get a foothold without formal training in physics?), or is it a central idea in and of itself?

Sorry if this is incoherent nonsense, or founded on naivety, but I'm trying to understand what career/academic options I have.
 
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I ask because there is a research group on non-equilibrium systems at the college I'm attending.
You should ask them, possibly in person. Not only will you get good advice, but it'll also put you on their radar as someone who's interested and asks good questions. In general, things are more fluid (pun intended) at the research level; many researchers self study their way to competency in fields which they didn't major in.
 
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Some argue that chemists/chemical engineers have a better understanding of thermodynamics than physicists.
 
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Some argue that chemists/chemical engineers have a better understanding of thermodynamics than physicists.
..., plus or minus sign conventions regarding positive/negative work.
 
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..., plus or minus sign conventions regarding positive/negative work.
Even within physics, major texts use different conventions for this.
 
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You should ask them, possibly in person. Not only will you get good advice, but it'll also put you on their radar as someone who's interested and asks good questions. In general, things are more fluid (pun intended) at the research level; many researchers self study their way to competency in fields which they didn't major in.
I will do this, but I don't want to seem arrogant or imposing. I might wait before I've had at least some prerequisite math and science before I go about pretending I can understand their field.
 
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I will do this, but I don't want to seem arrogant or imposing. I might wait before I've had at least some prerequisite math and science before I go about pretending I can understand their field.
Why wait? Ask them for suggestions on the math and science courses you should be taking. FWIW, I majored in physics, both as an undergrad and grad. In addition to the thermodynamics and statistical mechanics classes in the physics department, I also took thermodynamics classes (undergrad and grad) in the materials science and engineering department. Coincidentally, the classes in the materials science and engineering departments (different schools for undergrad and grad) were taught by professors with chemistry degrees.
 
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FAQ: How deep does thermodynamics go? And how much would a chemist know?

How deep does thermodynamics go in understanding chemical reactions?

Thermodynamics provides a fundamental framework for understanding chemical reactions by describing the energy changes and equilibrium conditions. It delves into how energy is transferred and transformed, and how it affects the spontaneity and feasibility of reactions.

What are the key thermodynamic concepts a chemist must understand?

A chemist must understand key thermodynamic concepts such as enthalpy, entropy, Gibbs free energy, and the laws of thermodynamics. These concepts help in predicting reaction behavior, understanding phase transitions, and calculating equilibrium constants.

How is thermodynamics applied in practical chemistry?

In practical chemistry, thermodynamics is applied in areas like reaction engineering, material synthesis, and environmental chemistry. It helps in designing chemical processes, optimizing reaction conditions, and understanding the stability of compounds.

What is the role of Gibbs free energy in chemical reactions?

Gibbs free energy is a crucial thermodynamic potential that determines the spontaneity of a chemical reaction. A negative Gibbs free energy indicates a spontaneous reaction, while a positive value suggests non-spontaneity under constant temperature and pressure.

How much thermodynamics should a chemist know for research and development?

A chemist involved in research and development should have a solid understanding of thermodynamic principles, including the ability to apply these concepts to real-world problems. This knowledge is essential for developing new materials, optimizing processes, and ensuring safety and efficiency in chemical manufacturing.

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