How did universe start to expand

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of a singularity and the question of what caused it to expand. It is mentioned that this is an open area of research, with the field of Quantum Cosmology attempting to provide answers. There are also discussions about ongoing efforts to test these theories and the potential for future Nobel Prize recipients in this field. The conversation also clarifies the difference between expansion and inflation, and the origins of the concept of inflation.
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there was a singularity, what made it expand

i so confused
 
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No one knows the answer to this question. It is an open area of research. The relatively new field of Quantum Cosmology tries to answer such questions.
 
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Think of the entire age of the universe to-date as a calendar year. So the first day of creation was January 1. It is immediately obvious that expansion did not begin right on January 1st; it actually began two weeks before, during baking and cookie season, and following right through the holidays. January 1st is simply the first day the universe measured itself on the weigh scale in an ultimately doomed attempt to live up to its New Year's Resolution of dropping twenty-five pounds in order to fit in the bikini this summer that it bought last summer that was two sizes too small but was going to diet in-to.
 
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crazco said:
there was a singularity, what made it expand

i so confused

A singularity is a breakdown in a theory. A place where some model blows up and stops being applicable. Typically singularities get fixed by modifying the model---this has happened with other theories in other branches of physics. At present there is no reason to believe that a singularity occurred. As Einstein-Online says, most cosmologists would be quite surprised if there turned out to have been one.

However "what made it expand?" is a very good question. Whatever was there at the start of expansion, why did it begin expanding?

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No one knows the answer to this question. It is an open area of research. The relatively new field of Quantum Cosmology tries to answer such questions.

Nick is right! No one knows. There are theories (in the new field of Quantum Cosmology) which give answers. But they have not yet been tested.

Here are the papers in QC written since 2005.
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/spires/find/hep/www?rawcmd=dk+quantum+cosmology+and+date%3E2005&FORMAT=WWW&SEQUENCE=citecount%28d%29
There are 362 papers that appeared in the four years 2006-2009 alone. That is about 90 papers per year.

If you look at the first 50 papers listed, that is, at the most often cited ones, they are almost all using bounce models where there is no singularity but rather there is a prior contraction, and quantum effects kick in at very high density making gravity repel strongly instead of attract. So the whole things begins expanding.
Quantum gravity as these researchers have formulated it, has a natural brief inflation episode.

For a further discussion of how Quantum Cosmology (with the bounce feature) relates to inflation you could look at Ashtekar's recent paper:
http://arXiv.org/abs/0912.4093

So the answer to your question is that nobody knows but they have several interesting ideas, and the field is called QC, and they are working on it pretty hard.

And currently one of the areas of QC getting a lot of attention is how to test the models.
There is an international workshop on that coming up this year in Stockholm.
Here is a sample paper addressing the QC testing problem, if you are curious. It talks about "footprints" of QC to look for in the temperature map of the cosmic microwave background. Observable features of the CMB.
http://arXiv.org/abs/0902.0145
 
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thank you

not answer i was hoping for because its a shame we have yet to know why

i will have to look at all of those papers hopefully the vocabulary will not be so difficult for me

excuse my english i learning
 
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marcus said:
And currently one of the areas of QC getting a lot of attention is how to test the models. There is an international workshop on that coming up this year in Stockholm.

And this is one of the more exciting developments in that we are now getting so much data out of cosmological observations that "what happened before the big bang" is something that is becoming an observational question rather than a philosophical one.

The basic idea is that with observations of the cosmic microwave background we are seeing very detailed ripples, and we are getting to the point that people think that they might be able to use details about these sorts of ripples to work out how the process of the big bang worked.
 
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crazco said:
thank you

not answer i was hoping for because its a shame we have yet to know why

i will have to look at all of those papers hopefully the vocabulary will not be so difficult for me

excuse my english i learning

Not really a shame.. All things were unknown to us at some point. It seems like quantum cosmology is a very exciting and expanding area of research. And for the scientist that finally answers that question, almost certainly a nobel prize awaits them. So I look at it that way, that if there are no questions left to answer than we wouldn't need new scientists.
 
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Expansion was a shot in the dark by Alan Guth to address problems like homogenity and thermalization of the universe. It works well and is still widely accepted to this day. It is what is called an effective theory - it appears to work but has no underlying physics that explains why it works.
 
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Chronos said:
Expansion was a shot in the dark by Alan Guth to address problems like homogenity and thermalization of the universe. It works well and is still widely accepted to this day. It is what is called an effective theory - it appears to work but has no underlying physics that explains why it works.

I think you mean inflation (not expansion).
Expanding universe models were written down by Willem de Sitter in 1917 and by Alex Friedman around 1922.
Simple expansion has the underlying physics of Einstein's 1915 General Relativity.

Alan Guth didn't come along with the scalar-field inflation idea until around 1980.
 
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Bingo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)" is the simple separation of matter.
 
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Related to How did universe start to expand

1. How do we know that the universe is expanding?

Scientists have observed that galaxies are moving away from each other and the space between them is increasing. This was first discovered by astronomer Edwin Hubble in the 1920s and has been confirmed by various experiments and observations since then.

2. What is the evidence for the Big Bang theory?

The Big Bang theory is the most widely accepted explanation for the origin of the universe. The evidence for this theory includes the expansion of the universe, the cosmic microwave background radiation, and the abundance of light elements such as hydrogen and helium. These observations support the idea that the universe began as a singularity and has been expanding and cooling ever since.

3. What role does dark energy play in the expansion of the universe?

Dark energy is a mysterious force that is thought to be responsible for the accelerating expansion of the universe. It is believed to make up about 68% of the total energy in the universe and its presence can be inferred from the observed expansion rate of the universe. However, its exact nature and origin are still not fully understood.

4. How does the expansion of the universe affect the formation of galaxies?

The expansion of the universe plays a crucial role in the formation and evolution of galaxies. As the universe expands, matter becomes less dense, allowing gravity to pull matter together and form galaxies. The rate of expansion also affects the distribution of matter in the universe and can impact the size and shape of galaxies.

5. Will the universe continue to expand forever?

Based on current observations and theories, it is believed that the universe will continue to expand forever. However, the rate of expansion may change over time and could potentially lead to a "Big Rip" in which the universe expands so rapidly that all matter is torn apart. Further research and observations are needed to fully understand the fate of the universe.

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