How do Amperian Loops work with two infinite slabs of current?

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In summary, the conversation discusses using Ampere's Law to find the magnetic field inside two infinite slabs of current. The person is confused about which Amperian loops are correct to use, but it is explained that any of the loops will give the same field as long as the current density is known. The conversation also mentions that using loops 1 and 2 is easier because they only depend on one current density, while loops 3 and 4 depend on both.
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Hello,

This isn't a homework question, just a curious question. I've been working on problems involving Ampere's Law and slabs of current density J.

I've drawn a diagram to illustrate my question:
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Here, two infinite slabs of current are placed one on top of the other, in the xz-plane. The magnitudes and directions of Jin and Jout are such that the magnetic field outside the slabs is zero (i.e. B = 0 for y>d and y<-d). Also, I assume that the current densities vary with distance inside the slab (because if they didn't, I could simply take my entire Amperian loop inside of each slab centered on the middle of the slab). Therefore, if the current densities are functions of distance y, I have to hang my Amperian loop outside of the slabs where the magnetic field is zero.

I'm trying to use Ampere's Law to find the magnetic field inside each slab (i.e. 0<y<d and -d<y<0). The textbook I've been working with (among other sources) draw the Amperian loops similar to loops 1 and 2 in the diagram. The red part of each loop is the part I'm solving for. Each of the other 3 segments either cancel by symmetry, or the field is zero along that path.

So here's where I'm confused: I don't understand why loops 1 and 2 are correct (or are they?). Loop 1 doesn't seem to account for the field produced by the bottom slab of current. It would make more sense (to me) if loops 3 and 4 were the correct loops. As loop 3 accounts for the field produced by the bottom slab, and loop 4 accounts for the field produced by the top slab. Can anyone explain this?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Both work, it's just a lot easier to use 1 and 2 over 3 and 4 because 1 only depends on Jin. 2, 3, and 4 all depend on both Jin and Jout, so having something that only depends on one is a lot easier. The beauty of Ampere's Law is that the current outside has no effect on the integrals. If all the slabs are infinite in all but the y direction, then there is no edge effects to take account of and the field only varies with y.

In fact, loop 2 is just an extension of loop 1 into the next region. Loops 3 and 4 are different loops.
 
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Hi frogjg2003, thanks for the reply.

So you're saying loops 1 and 3 will give me the same field?
 
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If you know how J varies with y over all y, then anyone loop (say 1 or 3) will give you the correct field in that region because you can just calculate the enclosed current. You can choose either of the two loops (2 or 4) that deal with the other region to calculate the field in that region.
In short, yes, they'll give the same field.
 
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Excellent! Thanks.

That question has been frustrating me for days. Time to go back and re-work some problems.

Thanks frogjg2003!
 

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What is an Amperian Loop?

An Amperian Loop is a theoretical concept in electromagnetism that refers to a closed loop in space through which an electric current can pass. It is used to calculate the magnetic field created by a current-carrying wire or a group of wires.

How do you determine the direction of the magnetic field using an Amperian Loop?

The direction of the magnetic field can be determined using the right-hand rule. If you align your right-hand fingers along the Amperian Loop in the direction of the current, your thumb will point in the direction of the magnetic field.

Can an Amperian Loop be of any shape and size?

Yes, an Amperian Loop can be of any shape and size as long as it forms a closed loop. However, for practical purposes, it is often chosen to be a circle or rectangle to simplify calculations.

What is the difference between an Amperian Loop and a Gauss' Law surface?

An Amperian Loop is used to calculate the magnetic field created by a current, while a Gauss' Law surface is used to calculate the electric field created by a charge distribution. Additionally, an Amperian Loop is a closed loop, while a Gauss' Law surface can be an open or closed surface.

Can an Amperian Loop be used to calculate the magnetic field in all situations?

No, an Amperian Loop can only be used to calculate the magnetic field in situations where the current is constant and the magnetic field is created by a current-carrying wire or a group of wires. In other cases, such as when the current is changing or the magnetic field is created by a magnet, other methods must be used.

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