How do I find the time evolution of a state with an operator in the Hamiltonian?

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the time evolution of a quantum state with an operator-containing Hamiltonian. The suggested method involves using Fourier transformations, but it is unclear how to handle cases where the Hamiltonian also contains x^2/2. The problem can be solved using ladder operators or Legendre polynomials, and the energies of the quantum harmonic oscillator can be found using E=(n+1/2)hbar*omega. However, the conversation also discusses a more complex problem involving coupled oscillators with two particles.
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Suppose I know an initial state [tex]\Phi(x)= \exp(-x^2)[/tex], the Hamiltonian is

[tex]H = p^2/2m + x^2/2[/tex]

where p is the mometum operator. If I want to find the time evolution of the state [tex]\Phi(x)[/tex], should I write it as the following?

[tex]\Psi(x, t) = \exp(-i H t/\hbar)\Phi(x)[/tex]

However, since [tex]H[/tex] contains an operator, I don't know how to find the close form of the time-dependent state. Should I expand it as a series and then operate it on [tex]\Phi(x)[/tex] term by term? But in this way, it seems not easy to combine the result to get the close form!?
 
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The H in the exponential should be E - as in the energy of that eigenstate. I think what you have there is an Eigenstate (it's been a while since I did Quantum harmonic oscillators, and the forms I solved for were somewhat different so I'm not sure), if it isn't then you can't do this. You need to normalize the wave function, in any case.
 
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Matterwave said:
The H in the exponential should be E - as in the energy of that eigenstate. I think what you have there is an Eigenstate (it's been a while since I did Quantum harmonic oscillators, and the forms I solved for were somewhat different so I'm not sure), if it isn't then you can't do this. You need to normalize the wave function, in any case.

Thank you. I read a text in which the author use the Fourier transformation to carry out the time-dependent state.

[tex]\Phi(k) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}\int dx \exp(-ikx) \Phi(x)[/tex]

and then the time-dependent state is the inverse transformation of [tex]\exp(-iEt/\hbar)\Phi(k)[/tex]

[tex]\Psi(x, t) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}\int dk \exp(ikx)\Phi(k) \exp(-iEt/\hbar)[/tex]

For harmonic oscillator, if [tex]H = p^2/2m[/tex], then [tex]E=\hbar^2k^2/2m[/tex], plug this into the inverse Fourier transformation will give the result directly. But if H also includes [tex]x^2/2[/tex], what does [tex]E[/tex] (in terms of k) look like?

By the way, if we consider two coupling hamonic oscillator such that

[tex]H = p_1^2/2m + x_1^2/2 + p_2^2/2m + x_2^2/2[/tex] and we apply the Fourier transformation again to find the time-dependent state, how to write the Fourier transformation? Should it be 2D Fourier transformation?
 
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Uhm...I don't think you need to worry about Fourier transforms for this problem (all you did was transform the function over to wave number space and then transform it back... tagging on the exponential term does nothing with that integral since it's over dk). The problem can be solved directly from the Schroedinger's equation using ladder operators or using Legendre polynomials.

The energies of the quantum harmonic oscillator is:

[tex]E=(n+\frac{1}{2})\hbar\omega[/tex]

I believe the wave function you provided corresponds to n=1 state...but there are some missing coefficients in front of the x squared term...so I'm not sure if it indeed is... You may want to check that.

Where [tex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}[/tex]

k is the spring constant as usual, and in your case it is 1.

You can obtain this by using ladder operators. This problem has been completely solved so I don't think I need to redo everything here. You can find information about this problem in the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_harmonic_oscillator

I don't understand your coupled oscillator, why is there a [tex]p_2[/tex] and [tex]x_2[/tex] term? Are there 2 particles in there?
 
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Matterwave said:
Uhm...I don't think you need to worry about Fourier transforms for this problem (all you did was transform the function over to wave number space and then transform it back... tagging on the exponential term does nothing with that integral since it's over dk). The problem can be solved directly from the Schroedinger's equation using ladder operators or using Legendre polynomials.

The energies of the quantum harmonic oscillator is:

[tex]E=(n+\frac{1}{2})\hbar\omega[/tex]

I believe the wave function you provided corresponds to n=1 state...but there are some missing coefficients in front of the x squared term...so I'm not sure if it indeed is... You may want to check that.

Where [tex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}[/tex]

k is the spring constant as usual, and in your case it is 1.

You can obtain this by using ladder operators. This problem has been completely solved so I don't think I need to redo everything here. You can find information about this problem in the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_harmonic_oscillator

I don't understand your coupled oscillator, why is there a [tex]p_2[/tex] and [tex]x_2[/tex] term? Are there 2 particles in there?

Yes. There are two particles.
 
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Hmmm, sorry but I can't help you there. I haven't studied two particle systems yet.
 

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