How do I fix this surd inside a surd?

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In summary, fixing a surd inside a surd involves simplifying the expression by applying algebraic rules and properties of square roots. This can include factoring the inner surd, rationalizing the denominator, or using the property that √(a*b) = √a * √b. The goal is to express the nested surd in a simpler form or to eliminate it altogether for easier calculations.
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The question says to use the answer to a and b
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I know I can rationalize. And a surd multiplied by itself removes the root
It’s the last one that I couldn’t do. I have tried the other two. And that’s ok.
You can see the attemp in the picture. I didn’t write it here.
Please help
 

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In your working you start with the "=54" there.
That's never going to work because that's essentially what you have to prove (since 54 is the square of ##3\sqrt 6##), so you can't use it.

Instead, define ##x = 3\sqrt{2 - \sqrt 3}+ \frac 3{ \sqrt{2 - \sqrt 3}}## and then try to prove that ##x^2=54##.
In the first step you can use (a) to simplify ##x^2##.
In the second step you can use (b) to simplify further.
You will have some cancellation and collecting of like terms to do.
You should be able to end up with 54.
 
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andrewkirk said:
In your working you start with the "=54" there.
That's never going to work because that's essentially what you have to prove (since 54 is the square of ##3\sqrt 6##), so you can't use it.

Instead, define ##x = 3\sqrt{2 - \sqrt 3}+ \frac 3{ \sqrt{2 - \sqrt 3}}## and then try to prove that ##x^2=54##.
In the first step you can use (a) to simplify ##x^2##.
In the second step you can use (b) to simplify further.
You will have some cancellation and collecting of like terms to do.
You should be able to end up with 54.
Just figured it out. Forgot that 54 becomes 3root6
 
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Thank you all
 

FAQ: How do I fix this surd inside a surd?

What is a surd inside a surd?

A surd inside a surd refers to a nested radical expression, such as √(2 + √3). It involves a radical inside another radical, making it more complex to simplify or rationalize.

How do I simplify a surd inside a surd?

To simplify a surd inside a surd, you often need to use algebraic identities or rationalize the expression. For example, you can try expressing the inner surd in a form that can be simplified further or use conjugates to eliminate the nested radical.

Can I always simplify a surd inside a surd to a simpler form?

No, not all surds inside surds can be simplified to a simpler form. Some nested radicals do not have a simpler equivalent and must be left in their original form. However, specific techniques can sometimes simplify certain types of nested radicals.

What are some common techniques to simplify nested surds?

Common techniques include using conjugates, algebraic identities like the difference of squares, and breaking down the expression into simpler parts. For example, √(a + √b) can sometimes be expressed as (√x + √y)², where x and y are chosen such that the equation holds true.

Are there any tools or calculators to help simplify surds inside surds?

Yes, there are various online calculators and algebra software tools that can assist in simplifying surds inside surds. These tools can perform symbolic computation to find simplified forms or numerical approximations of complex radical expressions.

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