How do we determine the global geometry of thin shells in GR?

In summary, Berezin87 found that the dynamics of thin shells in general are governed by the equation of motion: dr/dtau^2=mg/mr^2-1. However, Goldwirth and Katz found that the signs of the metrics come from the choice of the half of the manifolds, and that this is not influenced by the signs of the metrics themselves.
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There is a great resume on dynamics of thin shells in GR:
Berezin87: Dynamics of bubbles in GR (Phys. Rev. D 36, 2919)

In section III/A above the equation (3.1) there is the following statement:

"Thus, for given inner and outer metrics sigma determine the global geometry
(i.e. how the inner geometry is stuck together to the outer one)"

Sigma is a sign +1 or -1, see for example in the master equation
(Schwarzschild-Schwarzschild thin shell):

sigma_in*sqrt(1-2mc/r+v^2) - sigma_out*sqrt(1-2(mc+mg)/r+v^2) = mr/r

where r is the circumferential radius;
v = dr/dtau, and tau is the proper time of the shell;
mc is the central Schwarzschild mass parameter;
mg is the gravitational mass of the shell, this means
that the outer Schwarzschild mass parameter is mc+mg;
and mr is the rest mass of the shell, mr > 0;

It can be shown for all four possibilities of the signs that
the following equation of motion
can be derived independent of the signs:

(dr/dtau)^2 = (mg/mr)^2 - 1 + (2mc+mg)/r + (mr/2r)^2

This coincide with the above statement,
because he signs do not influence the local motion.

But in another paper of Goldwirth & Katz:
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9408034
they have a nice illustration of gluing manifolds together:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/ps/9408/9408034v3.fig1-1.png

They suggest that the signs comes from the four possibilities:
witch half of the manifolds is chosen.
But if we have already chosen the half, we also fix the metric.
I think Berezin's statement means that the signs comes from
how to join chosen metrics together, and not how to chose the metrics!
 
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"Gauss-Codazzi" or "Gauss-Kodazzi"?
 
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mersecske said:
"Gauss-Codazzi" or "Gauss-Kodazzi"?

I just checked in four of my books, and they all write "Codazzi."
 
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Kodazzi is used also lots of place in the literature, why?
 
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The master equation of thin shells is:

[tex]s_{-}\sqrt(1-2m_c/r+v^2) - s_{+}\sqrt(1-2(m_c+m_g)/r+v^2) = m_s/r[/tex]

Where mc is the central mass (Schwarzschild mass parameter of the inner '-' spacetime),
mc+mg is the total mass (Schwarzschild mass parameter of the outer '+' spacetime),
therefore mg can be interpreted as gravitational mass of the shell.
ms=4*pi*sigma*r^2, where sigma is the surface energy density, ms>0.
r is the area radius, v is dr/dtau, where tau is the proper time on the shell.

s_{-} and s_{+} are sign factors.
If we are talking about conventional shells
(not wormhole solution, and not Univerze with two centers)
than s is nothing else, but sgn(f*Tdot),
where f=1-2M/r is the metric function, and Tdot=dt/dtau,
where t is the Schwarzschild time.

If we give mc,ms=m0,r=r0,v=v0, as initial data set,
we can calculate the gravitational mass mg.
But we get two solutions:
mg=m0(-m0/(2*r0)+sqrt(1-2*mc/r0+v0^2))
or
mg=m0(-m0/(2*r0)-sqrt(1-2*mc/r0+v0^2))
If r0>2*mc, than only the first solution is possible.
But below the horizon I cannot choose.
In genereal both solutions can describe a valid system, I think.
If we check mc+mg>0, do not help to choose.
 

FAQ: How do we determine the global geometry of thin shells in GR?

What is the significance of studying the dynamics of thin shells in general relativity (GR)?

Studying the dynamics of thin shells in GR allows us to understand the behavior of matter and energy in curved space-time. This is important because GR is the most accurate theory of gravity we have, and thin shells are common in many physical systems, such as stars and planets.

How does GR describe the dynamics of a thin shell?

In GR, the dynamics of a thin shell can be described using the Israel junction conditions, which relate the curvature of space-time on either side of the shell to the energy-momentum tensor of the matter within the shell. This allows us to calculate the gravitational effects of the shell on its surroundings.

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Studying the dynamics of thin shells in GR has many practical applications, such as in astrophysics, where it can help us understand the structure and evolution of celestial bodies. It also has applications in engineering, where it can be used to design and analyze structures made of thin materials, such as spacecraft or bridges.

Can GR explain the behavior of extreme thin shells, such as black holes?

Yes, GR can explain the behavior of extreme thin shells, such as black holes. Black holes are the ultimate thin shells, with all of their mass concentrated in a single point in space. GR provides a mathematical framework to describe their dynamics, including their strong gravitational effects on their surroundings.

Are there any unresolved questions or challenges in the study of thin shells in GR?

Yes, there are still many open questions and challenges in the study of thin shells in GR. Some of these include understanding the behavior of thin shells in the presence of strong gravitational fields, such as near black holes, and the effects of quantum mechanics on the dynamics of thin shells. Further research and advancements in technology are needed to fully understand these complex systems.

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