How do you know what goes together to form a 4-vector?

In summary, the conversation discusses the determination of what quantities will go together to form a 4-vector. The participants mention various examples such as energy momentum 4-vector, charge-current density four vector, and phi-A 4-vector. They also question if there is a first principle argument that shows these quantities will transform as a 4-vector, similar to non-commuting operators in quantum mechanics indicating uncertainty relations. The conclusion is that if a quantity appears in a covariant equation and is one-dimensional, it will be part of a 4-vector.
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Astrofiend
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I've been studying relativity and standard model physics, and I don't understand how it is determined what 'things' go together to form a 4-vector. For example, there is the familiar energy momentum 4-vector, the charge-current density four vector, the phi-A (scalar/vector potential) 4-vector from electromagnetism, the frequency-wavevector four vector from special relativity, and so on and so forth.

Apart from the fact that these quantities evidently DO transform as four-vectors, is there some first principle argument that shows what quantities will go together to transform as a four-vector, like say in quantum mechanics where non-commuting operators indicate the existence of an uncertainty relation between quantities? Like how would you know that charge density and current density would form components of a 4vector and transform like one?
 
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Hi Astrofiend! :smile:

If it turns up in a covariant equation, it has to be a spinor or a 4-vector or …

If it's one-dimensional, it'll be a 4-vector. :wink:

(eg current has dimension one, so it'll be part of a 4-vector, and so will its density)
 
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Cheers mate - appreciate the response! I'll have to go away and think it over a bit...
 

FAQ: How do you know what goes together to form a 4-vector?

How do you know what goes together to form a 4-vector?

A 4-vector is composed of four components: three spatial components and one time component. These components must be consistent with the principles of special relativity, which state that all observers should measure the same physical laws regardless of their relative motion. This means that the components of a 4-vector must transform in a specific way under Lorentz transformations.

What are the spatial and time components of a 4-vector?

The spatial components of a 4-vector represent the physical position or displacement in space, while the time component represents the physical time or displacement in time. Together, these components form a four-dimensional vector that describes the position and time of an event in spacetime.

How do you calculate the magnitude of a 4-vector?

The magnitude of a 4-vector is calculated using the Minkowski metric, which is a mathematical tool used to measure distances in spacetime. The magnitude of a 4-vector is equal to the square root of the dot product of the vector with itself.

How do you know if two 4-vectors are orthogonal?

Two 4-vectors are considered orthogonal if their dot product is equal to zero. This means that the vectors are perpendicular to each other in spacetime. Orthogonality is an important concept in special relativity and is used to describe the relative motion of different systems in spacetime.

Can you add or subtract two 4-vectors?

Yes, it is possible to add or subtract two 4-vectors. In special relativity, this operation is known as a Lorentz transformation and is used to describe how the components of a 4-vector change when observed from different reference frames. Addition and subtraction of 4-vectors is also important in calculating the energy and momentum of a system in special relativity.

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