How Does Calculus Explain the Changes in Notation in Rocket Equation Derivation?

In summary, the conversation discusses the calculus derivation of the rocket equation and the confusion surrounding changing deltas to d's and the reason for integrating both sides of the equation. It is explained that changing deltas to dees is a way of representing infinitesimal changes and that integration is used to add up all the infinitesimal contributions. This can be seen in a simple example where the velocity changes from discrete to continuous notation.
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Hi, need some help trying to understand calculus derivation of the rocket equation. If someone who be so kind as to look at the attachment where it is all laid out.

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I have had a good go at this and understand all the derivatives and integrations just not the subtle details. I don't get how you can swap all the deltas for d's towards the end of the derivation. From the research I have done on the web, delta m (mass) is not the same as dm so how can you suddenly change from deltas to d's? For example the mass starts off as delta m, then goes to dm and then disappears! Also what is the reason for suddenly integrating both sides of the equation right at the end? I understand why you take the derivative as this gives you the force (dp/dt) but why then integrate the velocity on the left then the mass on the right?

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I don't get how you can swap all the deltas for d's towards the end of the derivation
You can change deltas to dees when the "change in" becomes infinitesimally small ... i.e. in the limit that the size of the change approaches zero. It's one way of thinking about what the infinitesimal interval means - but it is also a form of sloppy notation.

Physics is full of this sort of shorthand, you get used to it.

Also what is the reason for suddenly integrating both sides of the equation right at the end?
... that is just to add up the contributions of each infinitesimal.

$$A_i = B_i\implies \sum A_i = \sum B_i$$
The integration sign is like the summation sign, but for the continuous case rather than the discrete case.

If you have seen Reimann sums, then you may prefer to do it in the other order - add up all the deltas and then take the limit.

Consider a simple example:

$$\Delta x=v\Delta t \implies dx = v(t)\;dt \implies \int dx = \int v\; dt$$ ... see what happened?
If the velocity between ##t_i## and ##t_i+\Delta t## is ##v(t_i)##, then ##v(t)## is the velocity between ##t## and ##t+dt##.
All I've done is to change notation from the discrete case to the continuous case.
 
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FAQ: How Does Calculus Explain the Changes in Notation in Rocket Equation Derivation?

What is impulse?

Impulse is a measure of the change in momentum of an object. It is calculated by multiplying the force applied to an object by the time it is applied for.

How is impulse related to calculus derivation?

Impulse is related to calculus derivation through the impulse-momentum theorem, which states that the impulse on an object is equal to the change in momentum of that object. This can be expressed mathematically as ∫F(t) dt = m(vf - vi), where F(t) is the force applied over time, m is the mass of the object, and vf and vi are the final and initial velocities of the object, respectively.

What is the difference between impulse and force?

While force is a measure of the push or pull applied to an object, impulse is a measure of the change in momentum of an object. Force is a vector quantity, meaning it has both magnitude and direction, while impulse is a scalar quantity, meaning it only has magnitude.

How can calculus derivation be used to analyze impulse in real-world scenarios?

Calculus derivation can be used to analyze impulse in real-world scenarios by calculating the area under the curve of a force versus time graph. This area represents the impulse applied to an object, and by using calculus techniques, we can determine the magnitude and direction of the impulse as well as its effect on the object's momentum.

Can impulse be negative?

Yes, impulse can be negative. This occurs when the force applied to an object is in the opposite direction of its motion, resulting in a decrease in its momentum. It is important to note that the negative sign does not indicate a decrease in the magnitude of the impulse, but rather a change in its direction.

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