How does failing a class affect your chances of getting a PhD?

[rachmaninoff]

But he says he's lying, which means he means that he doesn't have a PhD. So he's lying when he says he says he has one. But he also says he's lying. So he's telling the truth. In that case, he's lying!

Ehh... I'm not posting any more until I get my nap.

 

[Pengwuino]

I have my own ph! Its like 4 or so.

 

[zoobyshoe]

I have my own ph! Its like 4 or so.

Wow, mine's about 7.

 

[Tide]

What I saw on Nash's website was a list of objects which, at various times in the past, he thought that he had actually existed as...one of these objects was "the planet Saturn".

I suppose it makes sense for a beautiful mind to have originated from a beautiful planet! ;)

 

[rachmaninoff]

I have my own ph! Its like 4 or so.

Yes, we all know you're very acidic.

 

[Pengwuino]

Yes, we all know you're very acidic.

I only assumed. I stumbled upon these government documents with various mentions of "Neutralize Pengwuino".

 

[kant]

Isn't it obvious why you get a PhD? To get a better job? Heh

There are much better ways to make money than to get that extra academic distinction. Perhaps if you want to go for a teaching job at a university, than perhaps a ph.d might not be a bad idea.

 

[Monique]

Isn't it obvious why you get a PhD? To get a better job? Heh

Define better. Many people get a PhD to be able to dive deep into a subject of study, the tract after that is not always easy. You can get fine jobs without a PhD, unless you want to go into academics.

 

[brewnog]

adlrino(being reffered as a guru in the sig of astronuc), brewong(same as adlrino)

Nope, not even the same as arildno. He's a master, I'm a humble bachelor!



I wouldn't even consider getting a Ph.D for my field. It would probably make me so overqualified that nobody would employ me. Even a Masters was pushing it, - I'd only be earning an extra £200 per year had I spent an extra year and £10,000 or so getting a Masters.

I don't know of anyone with a Ph.D in engineering who works in industry, save for one chap who spends half his time at a research institution anyway.

 

[kant]

Hmm... I always wonder whather or not a ph.d is a testiment of being born with a bigger brain, or an exercise in concentration.

 

[Monique]

an exercise in persistence

 

[Astronuc]

ZapperZ: Physics
DocAl: Physics
ahrkron: Physics
vanesch: Physics
reilly: Physics
Dr Transport: Physics
matt grime: Mathematics
mathwonk: Mathematics
HallsofIvy: Mathematics
Moonbear: Biology

Add to this list - DocToxyn with PhD in Toxicology

And besides Marlon, PhD's to be include Clausius2 and Gokul43201, and there are perhaps others.

I would recommend getting a PhD if one can, as early as possible - depending on one's field - and especially if one is in an area of technology in demand. It becomes harder to take time off to do a PhD is one has a family and a mortgage to support, although one might be able to arrange reasonable compensation with a university depending on research grants, or one can do consulting work with industry.

 

[kant]

an exercise in persistence

Well, i consider persistence, and concentration are of the same class

 

[Integral]

Years of education do not guarantee any level of income. One of my coworkers cleared 6 figures this year, on a 2 yr degree. Of course he does not work a normal 8-5, nor does he put in a mere 40hrs a week.

Many of the tradesmen are capable of generating similar incomes.

T0 Quantum Theory:
Rather then starting these rather pointless threads about what you, can or can not do, what you wish to do, what you do or do not know, why don't you post real questions in the math and physics forums designed to furtherer your knowledge in those fields. These forums offer an excellent learning opportunity if you choose to use them that way. So far you have not taken that path.

 

[Gale]

i'd like to go for a phd in math eventually, (not that i probably sho much promise now..) but i know I'm already garunteed a job at my fathers work once i get my bachelors, where i can probably make more money than i ever could with a phd, since i have loads of room for advancement. since i graduate at 20, i'd be making quite a bit by 30, which is when i'd expect to be on the job market with a phd, and i probably couldn't find a better job.

at any rate, i have a question still. how important is undergrad if you go for a phd?

 

[Lisa!]

Add to this list - DocToxyn with PhD in Toxicology
And besides Marlon, PhD's to be include Clausius2 and Gokul43201, and there are perhaps others.

Morbius with PhD in physics.

 

[Danger]

danger(seeing that s/he has loads of un-understandable by any 13 yr old posts and also being a matured man(atleast by age)).
i guess i am not being that offensive here

Not even close!

And you're right that chronologically I'm more mature than most people here.
In all other respects, I'm closer to the aforementioned 13 yr old.

 

[Pengwuino]

Not even close!
And you're right that chronologically I'm more mature than most people here.
In all other respects, I'm closer to the aforementioned 13 yr old.

So that IS your real picture in the avatar

 

[Danger]

Huh? Are you saying that you didn't believe me? Of course it's me.

 

[tribdog]

Gale, what's your father's company?

 

[Astronuc]

at any rate, i have a question still. how important is undergrad if you go for a phd?

An undergraduate degree lays the groundwork for either a job in the field of study, or advanced degrees. Without a degree from an accredited institution, one could take the qualifying examination for a PhD and otherwise convince the faculty that one possesses an understanding of the field of study, and one is capable of doing independent research and contributing to the field.

As for switching fields - Louis de Broglie (Nobel Prize, Physics, 1929) -

Louis de Broglie's father was Victor, Duc de Broglie, and his mother was Pauline d'Armaillé. Louis studied at the Lyceé Janson de Sailly in Paris completing his secondary school education in 1909. At this stage he did not envisage a career in science, but was interested in taking literary studies at university. He entered the Sorbonne in Paris taking a course in history, intending to make for himself a career in the diplomatic service. At the age of 18 he graduated with an arts degree but he was already becoming interested in mathematics and physics. After being assigned a research topic in history he chose, after worrying greatly about the decision, to study for a degree in theoretical physics.

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Broglie.html

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Victor_de_Broglie

 

[Gale]

BAE systems. my father is well enough up in the company to be able to secure me a job if i had my math degree. once in the company, assuming i was successful, there'd be a lot of room for growth and all that since its a big company.

Anyway, i was more curious about like... gpa during undergrad. like, how important is it that you do WELL during undergrad if you're going for a phd?

 

[Astronuc]

BAE systems. my father is well enough up in the company to be able to secure me a job if i had my math degree. once in the company, assuming i was successful, there'd be a lot of room for growth and all that since its a big company.
Anyway, i was more curious about like... gpa during undergrad. like, how important is it that you do WELL during undergrad if you're going for a phd?

I would say, get a GPA as high as possible, assuming it reflects one's knowledge and capability/competence. The idea is to learn the mathematics and concepts of one's field of study. As one goes onto advanced studies, one tends to specialize in one or two areas.

If one wants to go into research, and particularly, if one wants to lead or manage resarch, then one essentially needs to have a PhD or be very good.

In the company where I work, the three principal owners/managers are PhDs, and the rest are PhD or MS. We hire undergrads as interns and part-timers, but full-timers must have at least an MS.

 

[Tide]

If you decide to go for a Ph.D. be sure to pick (a) the right school and (b) the right thesis advisor!

 

[Treadstone 71]

How does failing a class in your b.sc. years affect your ability of getting a masters or a PhD, bureaucratic-wise?

 

[Pengwuino]

How does failing a class in your b.sc. years affect your ability of getting a masters or a PhD, bureaucratic-wise?

I want to know too... not that i failed any 3rd semester calculus classes last year because it was too early to consistently go to class or anything like that... just curious

 

[kant]

An undergraduate degree lays the groundwork for either a job in the field of study, or advanced degrees. Without a degree from an accredited institution, one could take the qualifying examination for a PhD and otherwise convince the faculty that one possesses an understanding of the field of study, and one is capable of doing independent research and contributing to the field.

What is this qualifying examination? Is this like a GRE subject test?

 

[Astronuc]

Morbius with PhD in physics.

Thanks Lisa! A terrible oversight on my part.

 

[Astronuc]

What is this qualifying examination? Is this like a GRE subject test?

Please refer to this as an example - http://www.rpi.edu/dept/phys/graduate/exam_handbook.html,
http://www.rpi.edu/dept/phys/graduate/exam_qualifying.html

The qualifying exam is unique to the particular department and university, and the particulars will vary among different institutions, but usually there a written exam, and there may be an oral exam as well. The written exam involves solving detailed problems in a way that one demonstrates one's basic knowledge in a particluar field. In an oral exam, one stands in front of several faculty members as they pose problems and questions on basic and specialized knowledge.

When I qualified for a PhD, I took an 8 hr written test in 2 4-hr sessions much like that described in RPI's handbook. The problems presented are much like homework problems in which one has to apply forumulas, reasoning, perform calculations, and basically demonstrate a certain level of competency.

The qualifying exam is in addition to the GRE. When a took the GRE, IIRC it was a multiple choice exam, much like the SAT in the US.

One can apply for a PhD program and take the qualifiers during the program, however that would assume one has fulfilled admission requirements, such as application, letters of recommendation, completion of an undergrad program, usually in the same or related field, or Master's program. Coming from a completely different field or from similar or unrelated professional field, one would likely have to take the qualifiers as part of the admissions process.

Perhaps our PhD members can elaborate on their experiences. There are perhaps differences between US and foreign universities.

 

[Astronuc]

How does failing a class in your b.sc. years affect your ability of getting a masters or a PhD, bureaucratic-wise?

Well, if there is a limited number of positions then the department may select a more accomplished student.

If one has failed a course, then one would be required to demonstrate what one has done in the intervening period to assure that one has developed a certain minimal proficiency or competence in that area.

Basically, the faculty, and for that matter, a prospective employer, wants some assurance that the person they accept into the acacdemic program or job, is capable of performing at an expected level. If one fails an academic course, then one has to remediate that deficiency. Retaking the course and passing with an acceptable mark is one way, or taking a higher level course and achieving average or better than average is another way.