How Does the Density of Q in R Get Proven in Rudin's Analysis?

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In summary, the conversation discusses a difficulty in understanding a specific step in Rudin's book page 9 regarding the density of Q in R. The step involves proving the existence of two integers, m1 and m2, with certain properties. From this, it is concluded that there exists an integer, m, within a certain range. Another approach to the proof is also mentioned, which involves showing that every real number is the limit of a sequence of rationals.
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I have a difficulty in understanding the proof on Rudin's book page 9 regarding the density of Q in R. Specifically, I don't understand this step:

After we prove that there exist two integers [itex]m_{1}[/itex], [itex]m_{2}[/itex] with [itex]m_{1}>nx[/itex] and [itex]m_{2}>-nx[/itex] such that:

[itex]-m_{2}<nx<m_{1}[/itex]​

What I don't understand is how from the above get's concludes the following:

Hence there is an integer m (with [itex]-m_{2}≤m≤m_{1}[/itex]) such that:

[itex]m-1≤nx<m[/itex]​
 
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If m1-1 <= nx, then set m=m1 and both inequalities are trivial.
If m1-1 > nx, consider m1-2 and so on.
As the difference between m2 and m1 is finite, you find m in a finite number of steps.
 
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Another approach:

Show every Real number is the limit of a sequence of rationals:
For rationals, use the constant sequence; for irrationals x, use the decimal
approximation of x, and cut it at the n-th spot (and apend 0's to the right), i.e.

x=ao.a1a2...am... --> x':=ao.a1a2...am00000...0...

Then x' is rational, and |x-x'|< 10^{-m}

For any accuracy you want, adjust m, i.e., let it go as far as you want.
 

FAQ: How Does the Density of Q in R Get Proven in Rudin's Analysis?

1. What is Q and R in relation to this proof?

Q and R refer to the sets of rational and real numbers, respectively. Rational numbers are those that can be expressed as a fraction of two integers, while real numbers include all rational and irrational numbers.

2. Why is it important to prove that Q is dense in R?

Proving that Q is dense in R is important because it shows that between any two real numbers, there exists an infinite number of rational numbers. This is crucial in many mathematical and scientific applications, as it allows for more precise and accurate calculations.

3. How is the density of Q in R proven?

The density of Q in R is proven using the Archimedean property, which states that for any two real numbers a and b, there exists a natural number n such that na > b. This property can be used to show that between any two real numbers, there exists a rational number.

4. Can you give an example of how the density of Q in R is used in real life?

Sure, the density of Q in R is used in various scientific fields such as physics and engineering. For example, in physics, when calculating distances or measurements, it is often necessary to use rational numbers to get precise results. The density of Q in R ensures that these calculations can be done accurately.

5. Are there any other sets that are dense in R?

Yes, there are other sets that are dense in R, such as the set of algebraic numbers, which includes all numbers that can be expressed as the root of a polynomial equation with rational coefficients. However, Q is the most commonly used set to prove density in R due to its simplicity and accessibility.

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