How is the following derived: Please help derive the following: dPh/dR

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In summary, the conversation discusses the power transfer in a series circuit with an internal resistance and a heating resistance. The objective is to find the maximum power transfer to the heating resistance. Using Ohm's law and optimization theorem, the equation for power transfer is derived and simplified. It is found that the maximum power transfer occurs when the heating resistance is equal to the internal resistance. This information can be useful in determining the maximum efficiency of a wire by matching its impedance to the source's internal resistance.
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Here is the working leading up to this:
The circuit is a series circuit, with Ro being the circuit's internal resistance and Rh being the heater's resistance. We're only concerned about the power transfer to Rh. We have an input with a constant voltage V. Ohm's law: V = IR, where R is the total resistance of the circuit. In a series circuit this total resistance is the sum of the resistances in the circuit.

I = V / (Ro + Rh)

The voltage developed across the heating resistance will again be dictated by ohm's law:
Vh = I * Rh
Substitute: Vh = V * Rh / (Ro + Rh) P = I Vh
so Ph = [V / (Ro + Rh)] * [V * Rh / (Ro + Rh)]
Ph = V2 Rh / (Ro + Rh)2

Rh is the only variable, since Ro and V are fixed in this context. In order to find the maximum power transfer, we optimize this equation. Optimization theorem: a functions optimum points occur at the function boundaries, and where the first derivative of the function is equal to zero. In this case we're not going to look at the boundaries, since they are at 0 and infinite.

dPh/dRh = V2 (Ro - Rh) / (Ro + Rh)3.
 
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What do you men on V2 and (Ro + Rh)2 ? Do those "2"-s mean square? Then use ^ as V^2 or (Ro+Rh)^2 or
click to "Go Advanced" and you can find above the text the symbols X2 and X2, so you can write the square of something as something 2.

So: I=V/(Ro+Rh)
and

Ph=V2Rh/(Ro+Rh)2.

It is even better to use TeX
[tex]I=\frac{V}{R_0+R_h}[/tex]
[tex]P_h=I^2R_h= \frac{V^2R_h}{(R_0+R_h)^2}[/tex]

You get the derivative of Ph with respect to Rh with the formula for the derivative of a fraction, and simplifying. If F(x) = g(x)/h(x) [tex]F'=\frac{g'h-gh'}{h^2}[/tex]

So
[tex]\frac{d P_h}{dR_h}=V^2\left(\frac{(R_0+R_h)^2-2R_h(R_0+Rh)}{(R_0+R_h)^4}\right)[/tex]

Simplify.

ehild
 
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I am a high school student, how would i simplify that, and in terms of maximum efficiency of a wire what does this mean? ie in terms of matching impedance
 
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The power on Rh is maximum if its derivative dPh/dRh is zero. The derivative is shown in my previous post, but it can be simplified if you factorize the numerator. [tex]\frac{d P_h}{dR_h}=V^2\left(\frac{(R_0+R_h)^2-2R_h(R_0+Rh)}{(R_0+R_h)^4}\right)=V^2\left(\frac{(R_0+R_h)(r_0+R_h-2R_h)}{(R_0+R_h)^4}\right)=V^2\frac{r_0-R_h}{(R_0+R_h)^3}=0[/tex]

What should be Rh to make the expression equal to zero?

ehild
 
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So Rh has to equal Ro? wow thanks man
 
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Yes, it is. You get the maximum power out of a voltage source on a load, equal to the internal resistance of the source.

ehild
 

FAQ: How is the following derived: Please help derive the following: dPh/dR

1. How is the derivative of pressure with respect to radius derived?

The derivative of pressure with respect to radius (dPh/dR) is derived using the chain rule in calculus. This means that the derivative of pressure is equal to the product of the derivative of pressure with respect to a different variable (such as volume or temperature) and the derivative of that variable with respect to radius.

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