How many positive integers x satisfy this logarithmic inequality?

In summary, the problem involves determining the number of positive integer solutions \( x \) that satisfy a given logarithmic inequality. The solution requires analyzing the properties of logarithmic functions and their respective domains, as well as applying algebraic techniques to isolate \( x \) and find valid integer values. The final count of satisfying positive integers provides the answer to the inequality.
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Homework Statement
How many positive integers x satisfy ##\log_{\frac x 8} (\frac{x^2} 4) < 7 + \log_2(\frac 8 x)##
Relevant Equations
Basic logarithamic rules
The whole solution is a bit long, which I'll attach but the part I'm stuck at is, assuming everything else above it is correct, is
4 < (log x - 3)(8-log x)

Note ; inequalities aren't technically taught yet in the course, so please try to make the solution not go too deep into that. If that isn't possible there's a high chance I've gone wrong before that step, hence I've uploaded the entire solution.
 

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Did you try plugging in ##x = 1, 2, 3 \dots## and see what happens?
 
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Mr X said:
Homework Statement: How many positive integers x satisfy ##\log_{\frac x 8} (\frac{x^2} 4) < 7 + \log_2(\frac 8 x)##
Relevant Equations: Basic logarithamic rules

The whole solution is a bit long, which I'll attach but the part I'm stuck at is, assuming everything else above it is correct, is
4 < (log x - 3)(8-log x)

Assuming your logs are to base 2 then this is one of the possible solutions. It is convenient to use logs to base 2; then the left hand side is [tex]
\log_{x/8}(x^2/4) = 2\frac{ \log_2(x/4)}{\log_2(x/8)} = \frac{2 (\log_2 x - 1)}{\log_2 x - 3}[/tex] and the right hand side is [tex]7 + \log_2(8/x) = 10 - \log_2 x[/tex] so that if [itex]y = \log_2 x[/itex] then [tex]
\frac{2(y-1)}{y-3} < 10 - y.[/tex]

To solve this, we must multiply both sides by [itex]y - 3[/itex]. But this only preserves the inequality if [itex]y - 3 > 0[/itex], and in that case [tex]
y^2 - 11y + 28 < 0[/tex] which is as far as you got, but you then did not factorise this as [tex]
(y - 4)(y - 7) < 0.[/tex]

Alternatively, if [itex]y < 3[/itex] then we must reverse the inequality when multiplying both sides by [itex]y - 3[/itex], which leads to [tex](y - 4)(y - 7) > 0.[/tex]
 
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pasmith said:
Assuming your logs are to base 2 then this is one of the possible solutions. It is convenient to use logs to base 2; then the left hand side is [tex]
\log_{x/8}(x^2/4) = 2\frac{ \log_2(x/4)}{\log_2(x/8)} = \frac{2 (\log_2 x - 1)}{\log_2 x - 3}[/tex] and the right hand side is [tex]7 + \log_2(8/x) = 10 - \log_2 x[/tex] so that if [itex]y = \log_2 x[/itex] then [tex]
\frac{2(y-1)}{y-3} < 10 - y.[/tex]

To solve this, we must multiply both sides by [itex]y - 3[/itex]. But this only preserves the inequality if [itex]y - 3 > 0[/itex], and in that case [tex]
y^2 - 11y + 28 < 0[/tex] which is as far as you got, but you then did not factorise this as [tex]
(y - 4)(y - 7) < 0.[/tex]

Alternatively, if [itex]y < 3[/itex] then we must reverse the inequality when multiplying both sides by [itex]y - 3[/itex], which leads to [tex](y - 4)(y - 7) > 0.[/tex]
sorry I didn't reply after, but got it, thankyou.
 

FAQ: How many positive integers x satisfy this logarithmic inequality?

What is a logarithmic inequality?

A logarithmic inequality is an inequality that involves a logarithmic function. It is typically expressed in the form of log expressions being compared using inequality symbols such as <, >, ≤, or ≥. For example, an inequality like log_b(x) < a is a logarithmic inequality, where b is the base of the logarithm, x is the variable, and a is a constant.

How do you solve a logarithmic inequality?

To solve a logarithmic inequality, you first isolate the logarithmic expression on one side of the inequality. Then, you convert the logarithmic expression into its exponential form. After that, you solve the resulting inequality, taking care to consider the domain restrictions (such as ensuring the argument of the logarithm is positive). Finally, you may need to test intervals to determine where the inequality holds true.

What is the significance of the base in a logarithmic inequality?

The base of a logarithm plays a crucial role in determining the direction of the inequality. If the base is greater than 1, the logarithmic function is increasing, meaning that if log_b(x) < a, then x < b^a. Conversely, if the base is between 0 and 1, the function is decreasing, which would reverse the inequality when converting to exponential form.

How can I find the number of positive integer solutions for a logarithmic inequality?

To find the number of positive integer solutions for a logarithmic inequality, first solve the inequality to find the range of values for x. Then, identify the positive integers within that range. You can count these integers to determine how many satisfy the original inequality.

Are there any common pitfalls when solving logarithmic inequalities?

Yes, common pitfalls include forgetting to consider the domain restrictions of the logarithm (e.g., ensuring the argument is positive), incorrectly applying the rules of inequalities when changing forms (especially with bases less than 1), and neglecting to test the endpoints of the intervals derived from the inequality. Careful attention to these details is essential for accurate solutions.

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