How quickly do electrons jump orbitals?

In summary: The inverse process of the photoelectric effect, which is the emission of a photon upon absorption of a light quantum, is described by a 1st-order time-dependent perturbation theory. The energy-time uncertainty relation between the "natural linewidth" and the "formation time" of the photon is obtained.
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Delta2 said:
Is photon the only particle of the standard model that doesn't have a wave function
It's not a matter of "which particle". It's a matter of whether you are using a non-relativistic or relativistic model. The standard model itself is a relativistic model--it's a quantum field theory--so a correct statement would be that no particles in the standard model have wave functions. To get wave functions at all, you have to work in the non-relativistic limit, which means you're not really using the standard model any more.

As for which particles can have a non-relativistic limit, only particles with nonzero rest mass can.

Delta2 said:
an electron having relativistic speed doesn't have a wave function either?
Correct, since you can't model it in the non-relativistic limit.
 
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To the contrary! QM connects to nature better than classical physics, which is an approximation. Without QM there'd not be stable matter
Delta2 said:
Is photon the only particle of the standard model that doesn't have a wave function or there are others too, for example an electron having relativistic speed doesn't have a wave function either?
In principle for any massive particle you can use a non-relativistic approximation, and non-relativistic quantum mechanics can be described in terms of a wave function (Schrödinger's wave mechanics). As I tried to explain above, such an approximation is valid if the involved interaction/collision/binding energies are small compared to all masses (times ##c^2##) of the particles involved in your description. If this is not the case and if not other conservation laws prevent the production and/or annihilation of particles, you need to use QFT to deal with these production and annihilation processes.

Massless particles do not have a relativistic limit. It's well known that the assumption of zero mass does not lead to a representation of the Galileo group that has a sensible physical interpretation as a quantum theory.
 
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Hmm let me see, is
Relativistic QM=QFT or
QFT is something even more?
 
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There is no relativistic QM beyond the quasi-nonrelativistic approximations.

QFT is the most general framework for all kinds of quantum theory. You can describe usual non-relativistic quantum mechanics also in terms of a non-relativistic QFT. It's known as "second quantization", because formally you get it by "quantizing the Schrödinger field", but that's a misnomer, because it's just the same non-relativistic quantum mechanics just expressed in a different way.

Now, since QFT is a more general framework, there are physical situations, where you can use QFT but not QM. That's always the case if you don't deal with a fixed conserved number of particles but with creation and annihilation processes, and that's the case in relativistic quantum theory, because you always there's some chance to create and destroy particles in scattering processes at relativistic energies.

Even in non-relativistic theory you can have such cases, if it comes to the description of condensed matter. There you often can describe complicated phenomena by socalled quasi-particles. This technique was ingeniously discovered by Landau. There you describe excitations of a condensed-matter system (usually assumed to be close to thermal equilibrium) by quasiparticles. These are not real particles, but the math of the usually non-relativistic QFT looks right the same. An example are the oscillations of a solid, which are nothing else than sound waves. These you can describe by quasiparticles which are rightfully named "phonons". These can be destroyed and created and thus must be described by a (in this case non-relativistic) QFT.
 
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