How to Calculate the Molar Entropy of H2O(g) at 25°C and 1 bar?

In summary, the conversation is about calculating the molar entropy of H2O(g) at 25°C and 1 bar, given the values for θrot, θvib, and g0. The individual is struggling with understanding the relevance of these values and is unsure which equation to use for the calculation. They have not been recommended a textbook and are having difficulty finding one that covers the necessary topics. They are seeking clarification and help in solving the problem.
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physicisttobe
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Hi everyone!

It's about the following task:
Calculate the molar entropy of H2O(g) at 25°C and 1 bar.
θrot = 40.1, 20.9K, 13.4K
θvib=5360K, 5160K, 2290K
g0,el = 1

Note for translational part: ln(x!) = x lnx - x

Can you explain me how to calculate this problem?
 
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physicisttobe said:
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You can do better than this.
 
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I mean I have to calculate the difference right?
I only know this formula: ∆𝑆 = +𝑁𝑘 ln(1/2 ) = −𝑁𝑘 ln(2)
I struggled the whole day with this task, I hope I can solve it with your help
 
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I also know this equation: S = -nR (xA lnxA + xB lnxB)
The allegations above do not apply to those equations.
 
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If you have such a question, you must have seen more equations than this. Assuming that this is a statistical physics course, you must have seen the link between entropy and the partition function.
 
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But which equation do you mean? In statistical physics course we didn‘t calculate the molar entropy which is why I have struggles finding the right equation.
But in general you calculate molar quantities with this Sm = ∆S/n
 
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Unfortunately not, our prof. didn't recommend any textbook. I was searching for a good textbook but I couldn't find helpful books, more specifically I couldn't find a textbook which includes exactly the topics we are discussing. Therefore, I had difficulties solving problems. Furthermore, we didn't calculate any problems yet. I hope, we will do some tasks with our prof. in the future but I don't want to wait. I want to practice now in order to understand the further lectures we are discussing in class.
Back to your question: No sorry, I don't understand why those quantities are given.
 
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@DrClaude which equation should I use for this? Should I use the boltzmann equation S = kB lnW ?
 
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physicisttobe said:
@DrClaude which equation should I use for this? Should I use the boltzmann equation S = kB lnW ?
I don't know which equation you should start from since I don't know what is to be taken for granted in your course. My starting point would have been to start from entropy as a function of the partition function.
 

FAQ: How to Calculate the Molar Entropy of H2O(g) at 25°C and 1 bar?

What is the definition of molar entropy?

Molar entropy is a measure of the amount of disorder or randomness in a system per mole of substance. It is typically expressed in units of joules per mole per kelvin (J/mol·K).

What is the standard molar entropy of H2O at 298 K?

The standard molar entropy of H2O (liquid water) at 298 K is approximately 69.91 J/mol·K, while for H2O (gas) at the same temperature, it is about 188.83 J/mol·K.

How do you calculate the molar entropy of H2O at a different temperature?

To calculate the molar entropy of H2O at a different temperature, you can use the thermodynamic relationship involving heat capacity, phase changes, and integrating over the temperature range. This often involves complex calculations and data from tables of thermodynamic properties.

What role do phase changes play in calculating the molar entropy of H2O?

Phase changes play a significant role in calculating the molar entropy of H2O. For example, during the transition from ice to liquid water or from liquid water to steam, there is a significant increase in entropy due to the increased molecular disorder. These changes must be accounted for in the calculations.

Can you use the third law of thermodynamics to determine the molar entropy of H2O?

Yes, the third law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of a perfect crystal at absolute zero is zero. Using this as a reference point, you can determine the molar entropy of H2O by integrating the heat capacity over the temperature range and adding the entropy changes associated with phase transitions.

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