How to construct 4 in+out Feynman diagram from 3 Feynman diagram?

In summary, in his talk on renormalization, Sean Carroll discusses how diagrams can represent interactions and how the number of lines in a diagram can change depending on the type of interaction. He explains that for a model to be renormalizable, all interactions must be included in the Lagrangian, but higher-order expressions can make the theory non-renormalizable. He also mentions that in electrodynamics, diagrams with four photon legs are superficially logarithmically divergent, but gauge invariance prevents this from being an issue.
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Sean Carroll stated 4 in/out lines Feynman diagram can be constructed from 3 lines one. What does it mean?
Renormalization talk by Sean Carroll, "but then I could construct from that the following diagram with four lines in it":
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In previous talks he explained about diagrams and told interaction can be represented by many (even infinite) number of diagrams, "in" line can be changed to antiparticle "out" one, but for one particular interaction number of in+out lines was the same. In above he claims to construct 4 from 3. What does it mean? I was not able to find the answer by web search, google gives articles about diagrams "in general".
 
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You can just draw any diagram consistent with the Feynman rules of the model under consideration. So you can draw the diagram shown in the picture. So even if you set all the constants ##c_4=c_5=\ldots=0## you can have vertices with an arbitrary number of lines.

In connection with renormalizability it's however important that you have all interactions in the Lagrangian such that the model is renormalizable. In this case you must thus keep ##c_4##, because the drawn diagram is logarithmically divergent and you need a counter term to renormalize it, which means you must have a term like ##c_4 \phi^4## in the Lagrangian to make the model renormalizable.

On the other hand, you must not have ##c_5 \phi^5## and higher-order expressions, because then the theory wouldn't be (Dyson-)renormalizable anymore, but without such higher-order expressions the theory is indeed renormalizble, because the diagrams with ##\geq 5## legs are superficially convergent (and thus the entire theory given the BPHZ theorem of renormalization).

It's also interesting to look at electrodynamics with Dirac fermions (e.g., electrons and positrons). There you can also draw diagrams with four photon legs, and such a diagram is superficially logarithmically divergent, which would be a desaster, because then you'd have to find a gauge-invariant expression with four photon fields for your Lagrangian, and there's none that leads to renormalizable couplings. Fortunately gauge invariance saves the day, because the superficially divergent four-photon diagram is convergent thanks to a corresponding Ward-Takahashi identity.
 
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He just means that you can "glue" together vertices with three external lines together to make a diagram with four external lines.
 
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FAQ: How to construct 4 in+out Feynman diagram from 3 Feynman diagram?

1. How do I identify the in and out particles in a Feynman diagram?

The in and out particles in a Feynman diagram are represented by the external lines. These lines indicate the initial and final states of the particles involved in the interaction. The direction of the arrow on the line indicates whether the particle is incoming or outgoing.

2. What is the process for constructing a 4 in+out Feynman diagram from 3 Feynman diagrams?

The process for constructing a 4 in+out Feynman diagram from 3 Feynman diagrams involves combining the external lines of the 3 diagrams to create a new diagram. The external lines that represent the same particles in the 3 diagrams are connected to form the in and out lines of the new diagram. The remaining external lines are then connected to complete the diagram.

3. How do I determine the type of interaction represented by a 4 in+out Feynman diagram?

The type of interaction represented by a 4 in+out Feynman diagram can be determined by examining the internal lines. Each line represents a particle or antiparticle, and the type of interaction is determined by the type of particles involved in the interaction. For example, if the internal lines represent quarks, the interaction is a strong interaction.

4. Can a 4 in+out Feynman diagram be constructed from any 3 Feynman diagrams?

No, a 4 in+out Feynman diagram can only be constructed from 3 Feynman diagrams if the diagrams represent compatible interactions. This means that the particles and interactions represented in the 3 diagrams must be able to combine to form a valid interaction in the 4 in+out diagram.

5. How do I interpret the vertices in a 4 in+out Feynman diagram?

The vertices in a 4 in+out Feynman diagram represent the interactions between particles. The type of interaction is determined by the type of particles involved in the interaction. The direction of the arrow on the internal lines indicates the flow of energy and momentum in the interaction.

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