How to define ##\nabla \cdot D ## at the interface between dielectrics

In summary: The Dirac equation does not hold at the interfaces between several dielectrics. You have to define ##\nabla \cdot E## or ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interfaces between several dielectrics.
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Defining ##\nabla \cdot D## or ##\nabla \cdot E## at the interface between dielectrics
It is believed that Maxwell equations (together with other relations depending on the materials) are sufficient to account for any electromagnetic macroscopic effect.
The problem is that, for a Maxwell equation to hold, it must at least be defined.
Consider for example the case of two dielectrics of distinct permittivities, say ##\epsilon_1## and ##\epsilon_2##. We assume for the sake of simplicity that ##D_{conductor 1} = \epsilon_1 E_{conductor 1}## and ##D_{conductor 2} = \epsilon_2 E_{conductor 2},## which already covers a lot of dielectrics.
We also assume that the dielectrics carry no free charge, so Maxwell equation reads ##\nabla \cdot D = 0##.
Let finally restrict ourselves to the electrostatic case.

If the two dielectrics interface at a surface S, then the normal component of E is discontinuous at S, its tangential component is continuous, while the normal component of D is continuous and the tangential components of D are, in general, discontinuous.
For the field E, we could define ##\nabla \cdot E## using the Dirac distribution.
I guess something like that is possible for defining ##\nabla \cdot D##, despite I don't see exactly how (the difference between E and D is that E has only one discontinuous component).

Now, even if a Dirac distribution artifice is possible whenever the interface between two dielectrics is a surface, I see no way to define ##\nabla \cdot E## or ##\nabla \cdot D## whenever three or more dielectrics interface at an edge, or whenever several dielectric interface at a vertex point.

Any idea/knowledge to save Maxwell equations?
 
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At boundaries of two media you have to apply the integral definition of the differential operators, possibly generalized to their forms describing discontinuities. If you have no free charge, i.e., ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{D}## using a Gaussian pill box with two of its surfaces parallel to the boundary tells you that the normal component of ##\vec{D}## is continuous, while the normal component of ##\vec{E}## is not. That's because there's a non-zero net-surface charge along the boundary, because of the different polarizability (permittivities) in the different media. from ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}## using a surface with two sides parallel to the boundary and using Stokes's integral theorem tells you that the components tangential to the boundary are continuous.
 
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vanhees71 said:
At boundaries of two media you have to apply the integral definition of the differential operators, possibly generalized to their forms describing discontinuities. If you have no free charge, i.e., ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{D}## using a Gaussian pill box with two of its surfaces parallel to the boundary tells you that the normal component of ##\vec{D}## is continuous, while the normal component of ##\vec{E}## is not. That's because there's a non-zero net-surface charge along the boundary, because of the different polarizability (permittivities) in the different media. from ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}## using a surface with two sides parallel to the boundary and using Stokes's integral theorem tells you that the components tangential to the boundary are continuous.
Thanks for your answer.
Yes, that's classic and I wrote that in the question too. Not of any help to define ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interfaces between several dielectrics unfortunately.
 
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If you have a singularity at the surface, of course, you can't define a quantity on the surface. You have to describe what happens at the surface by describing the corresponding singularities, i.e., in this case by the surface divergence and surface curl.
 
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vanhees71 said:
If you have a singularity at the surface, of course, you can't define a quantity on the surface. You have to describe what happens at the surface by describing the corresponding singularities, i.e., in this case by the surface divergence and surface curl.

Actually the problem is not surfaces but edges and vertices. The essential point in my question is contained in the last 3 lines.
 

Related to How to define ##\nabla \cdot D ## at the interface between dielectrics

1. What is the physical significance of ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between dielectrics?

The physical significance of ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between dielectrics is related to the distribution of free charge at the boundary. According to Gauss's law for the electric displacement field (D), the divergence of D gives the free charge density. At the interface, this implies that any discontinuity in the normal component of D corresponds to a surface charge density.

2. How do you mathematically express the boundary condition for ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between two dielectric materials?

Mathematically, the boundary condition for ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between two dielectric materials is expressed as the continuity of the normal component of the electric displacement field. This can be written as:$$ \hat{n} \cdot (\mathbf{D}_1 - \mathbf{D}_2) = \sigma_f $$where ##\hat{n}## is the unit normal vector at the interface, ##\mathbf{D}_1## and ##\mathbf{D}_2## are the electric displacement fields in the two dielectric materials, and ##\sigma_f## is the free surface charge density at the interface.

3. Why is the tangential component of ##\mathbf{D}## not considered in the boundary conditions at the interface?

The tangential component of ##\mathbf{D}## is not considered in the boundary conditions at the interface because it is the normal component of the electric displacement field that directly relates to the surface charge density. The tangential components of the electric field (E), not D, are continuous across the boundary due to the absence of surface currents in dielectrics.

4. What happens to ##\mathbf{D}## at the interface if there is no free surface charge present?

If there is no free surface charge present at the interface between two dielectrics, the normal components of the electric displacement field on either side of the interface must be equal. This can be expressed as:$$ \hat{n} \cdot \mathbf{D}_1 = \hat{n} \cdot \mathbf{D}_2 $$This implies that the electric displacement field is continuous across the boundary in the absence of free surface charge.

5. How do the dielectric properties of the materials affect ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface?

The dielectric properties of the materials affect ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface by influencing the relationship between the electric field (E) and the electric displacement field (D). In each dielectric, ##\mathbf{D}

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