How to determine the integration constants in solving the Klein Gordon equation?

In summary, determining the integration constants in solving the Klein-Gordon equation involves applying boundary conditions and physical constraints relevant to the specific problem. The constants can be identified by ensuring the solution satisfies initial conditions, such as particle states or specific field configurations. Additionally, normalization conditions may be used to ensure that the probability density remains consistent with quantum mechanics principles. Ultimately, the choice of integration constants is guided by the desired physical interpretation and behavior of the solution.
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Safinaz
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Homework Statement
How to solve the following wave equation for the scalar ##\phi(t,x)## :
Relevant Equations
##\partial_i \dot{\phi}=0 ##

Where ##\partial_i= \partial/\partial x##. And (.) is the derivative with respect for time ## \partial/\partial t##
I solved by

##
\int d \dot{\phi} = \int d x \to
\dot{\phi} = x+ c_1 \to \int d \phi = \int d t ( x+c_1)
\to \phi = x t + c_1 t + c_2
##

Is this way correct? To determine ##c_2## use initial condition: ##\phi(0,x)=0## that yields ##c_2=0##, but how to get ##c_1## ?
 
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The kernel of the operator [itex]\partial_x[/itex] consists of all functions [itex]f[/itex] for which [itex]\partial_x f = 0[/itex]; this includes constants, but also includes functions which depend only on [itex]t[/itex]. Therefore the most general element of this kernel is [itex]A(t)[/itex]. Hence [tex]\int \partial_x \dot \phi\,dx = \int 0\,dx \Rightarrow \dot\phi = A(t).[/tex] Now integrate with respect to [itex]t[/itex]. This time, the most general element of the kernel of [itex]\partial/\partial t[/itex] is a function of [itex]x[/itex] alone.
 
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Safinaz said:
Homework Statement: How to solve the following wave equation for the scalar $\phi(t,x)$ :
Relevant Equations: ##\partial_i \dot{\phi}=0 ##

Where ##\partial_i= \partial/\partial x##. And (.) is the derivative with respect for time ## \partial/\partial t##

I solved by

##
\int d \dot{\phi} = \int d x \to
\dot{\phi} = x+ c_1 \to \int d \phi = \int d t ( x+c_1)
\to \phi = x t + c_1 t + c_2
##

Is this way correct? To determine ##c_2## use initial condition: ##\phi(0,x)=0## that yields ##c_2=0##, but how to get ##c_1## ?
Your function provably does not satisfy ##\partial_i\partial_t \phi = 0##. Just try to differentiate it!

(apart from what was already said)
 
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pasmith said:
The kernel of the operator [itex]\partial_x[/itex] consists of all functions [itex]f[/itex] for which [itex]\partial_x f = 0[/itex]; this includes constants, but also includes functions which depend only on [itex]t[/itex]. Therefore the most general element of this kernel is [itex]A(t)[/itex]. Hence [tex]\int \partial_x \dot \phi\,dx = \int 0\,dx \Rightarrow \dot\phi = A(t).[/tex] Now integrate with respect to [itex]t[/itex]. This time, the most general element of the kernel of [itex]\partial/\partial t[/itex] is a function of [itex]x[/itex] alone.
You mean

##\dot{\phi} =A(t) \to \int \partial_t \phi = \int A(t) dt \to \phi = A(t) t + c ? ##
but what is A(t) ?
 
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Safinaz said:
You mean

##\dot{\phi} =A(t) \to \int \partial_t \phi = \int A(t) dt \to \phi = A(t) t + c ? ##
but what is A(t) ?
First of all, you cannot integrate a general function A(t) with respect to t and obtain A(t) t. Not even in single variable calculus.

Second, you are still missing what was said. If ##\partial_t \phi = A(t)##, then ##\phi = a(t) + f(x)##, where ##a’(t) = A(t)##. The “integration constant” when integrating a partial derivative is generally a function of all of the other variables.
 
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Orodruin said:
First of all, you cannot integrate a general function A(t) with respect to t and obtain A(t) t. Not even in single variable calculus.

Second, you are still missing what was said. If ##\partial_t \phi = A(t)##, then ##\phi = a(t) + f(x)##, where ##a’(t) = A(t)##. The “integration constant” when integrating a partial derivative is generally a function of all of the other variables.
Okay. But now how to get the definition of ##f(x)## and ##a(t)## ?
 
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Safinaz said:
Okay. But now how to get the definition of ##f(x)## and ##a(t)## ?
Just as you need boundary or initial conditions to fix integration constants for ODEs, you will need boundary/initial conditions to fix those functions.
 
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Orodruin said:
Just as you need boundary or initial conditions to fix integration constants for ODEs, you will need boundary/initial conditions to fix those functions.
Hello. Thanks so much for your answer. I was trying to find proper IC and BC to find ## \phi(t,x)## . Assuming:

##
bc={\phi[t,0]==1,(D[\phi[t,x],x]/.x->Pi)==0}
##
##
ic={\phi[0,x]==0,(D[\phi[t,x],t]/.t->0)==1}
##

Also ## \phi(t,x)## obays the Klein Gordon’s equation :
## \left( \frac{\partial^2}{\partial t^2} - \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2} \right) \phi = 0 ##

in which solution:
##
\phi(t,x) = ( c_1 e^{kt} + c_2 e^{-kt} ) ( c_3 e^{kx} + c_4 e^{-kx} ) …………(1)
##

To find the constants in Eq. (1) , BC leads to ##c_3 = c_4= 1/2 ## and the IC leads to to ##c_1=- c_2= 1/2 ## is that correct? But how to know ## k ## ?
 
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FAQ: How to determine the integration constants in solving the Klein Gordon equation?

What are integration constants in the context of solving the Klein-Gordon equation?

Integration constants are arbitrary constants that appear when solving differential equations, including the Klein-Gordon equation. These constants arise because the process of integration can introduce an indefinite number of solutions, and the constants help to specify particular solutions based on initial or boundary conditions.

How do boundary conditions help in determining the integration constants?

Boundary conditions provide specific values of the solution at certain points or regions, which can be used to solve for the integration constants. By applying these conditions to the general solution of the Klein-Gordon equation, the arbitrary constants can be determined, leading to a unique solution that satisfies both the differential equation and the boundary conditions.

What role do initial conditions play in solving for integration constants in the Klein-Gordon equation?

Initial conditions specify the state of the system at the beginning of the observation period. For the Klein-Gordon equation, initial conditions typically include the initial values of the field and its time derivative. These conditions are substituted into the general solution, allowing the integration constants to be calculated to match the initial state of the system.

Can the symmetry of the problem help in determining the integration constants?

Yes, the symmetry of the problem can significantly simplify the process of determining integration constants. Symmetries can reduce the number of independent variables or lead to conserved quantities, which can provide additional equations or constraints. These can be used in conjunction with boundary and initial conditions to solve for the integration constants more easily.

Are there any numerical methods for determining the integration constants in the Klein-Gordon equation?

Numerical methods, such as finite difference methods, finite element methods, or spectral methods, can be employed to solve the Klein-Gordon equation and determine the integration constants. These methods approximate the solution over a discretized domain and iteratively adjust the constants to satisfy the differential equation and the given conditions. Numerical solutions are particularly useful when analytical solutions are difficult or impossible to obtain.

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