How to Find Constants for the IVP Solution?

In summary, the given family of functions is the general solution of the Cauchy-Euler equation x^2y''-xy'+y=0 on the interval (0, ∞). One member of the family, y=c_1x+c_2xlnx, can be found to satisfy the initial-value problem y(1)=3, y'(1)=-1. The given ODE was included to show which equation the given solution satisfies, but it was not necessary to find the particular solution.
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The given family of functions is the general solution of the D.E. on the indicated interval. Find a member of the family that is a solution of the initial-value problem.

\(\displaystyle y=c_1x+c_2x\ln{x}\) on \(\displaystyle (0, \infty)\) and \(\displaystyle x^2y''-xy'+y=0\) and y(1)=3, y'(1)=-1

So plugging in y(1)=3 gives \(\displaystyle 3=c_1+c_2\ln{1}\) and then take the derivative to get \(\displaystyle y'=c_1+c_2 \ln{x} +c_2\) subbing in \(\displaystyle -1=C-1+c_2\ln{1}+c_2\)

adding 3 times the second equation to the first give \(\displaystyle 0=4c_1+4c_2\ln{1}+3c_2\)
What next?
 
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Okay, we have:

\(\displaystyle y(1)=c_1=3\) (recall $\log_a(1)=0$)

\(\displaystyle y'(1)=c_1+c_2=-1\)

Now the system is easier to solve. :D
 
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MarkFL said:
Okay, we have:

\(\displaystyle y(1)=c_1=3\) (recall $\log_a(1)=0$)

\(\displaystyle y'(1)=c_1+c_2=-1\)

Now the system is easier to solve. :D

Ok but we never used \(\displaystyle x^2y''-xy'+y=0\) Why was that in the question?
 
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find_the_fun said:
Ok but we never used \(\displaystyle x^2y''-xy'+y=0\) Why was that in the question?

That was to show you which ODE the given solution satisfies. You are right though, we didn't need it to find the particular solution satisfying the given conditions. The given ODE is a Cauchy-Euler equation which may be solved either by making the substitution:

\(\displaystyle x=e^t\)

which will given you a homogeneous equation with constant coefficients, or by assuming a solution of the form:

\(\displaystyle y=x^r\)

which will give you an indicial equation with a repeated root to which you may apply the method of reduction of order.
 
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To find the constants c_1 and c_2, we can solve the system of equations formed by equating the coefficients of c_1 and c_2 in the two equations we have. This will give us two equations with two unknowns, which we can solve using standard algebraic techniques.

First, we can simplify the second equation by substituting ln{1} with 0, since ln{1}=0. This gives us -1=c_1+c_2. We can then substitute this value of c_1 into the first equation to get 3=c_1+c_2\ln{1}. Since ln{1}=0, this simplifies to 3=c_2. So we have found the values of both c_1 and c_2, which are c_1=4 and c_2=3.

Therefore, a member of the given family of functions that satisfies the initial-value problem is y=4x+3x\ln{x}. This solution can be verified by plugging it into the differential equation and checking that it satisfies the initial conditions y(1)=3 and y'(1)=-1.
 

FAQ: How to Find Constants for the IVP Solution?

What is an IVP?

An IVP, or initial value problem, is a type of differential equation that involves finding a function that satisfies both the equation and a set of initial conditions. These initial conditions usually involve a specific value for the function at a given point.

Why do we need to find constants for an IVP?

In order to solve an IVP, we need to determine the values of any unknown constants in the equation. This is necessary because the solution to an IVP is a specific function that satisfies both the differential equation and the initial conditions, and the constants determine the exact form of this function.

How do we find the constants for an IVP?

The process of finding the constants for an IVP involves plugging in the known initial conditions into the general solution of the equation. This will result in a system of equations that can be solved for the unknown constants. In some cases, it may also involve using techniques such as substitution or integration by parts.

Can we always find constants for an IVP?

In most cases, it is possible to find constants for an IVP. However, there are some situations where it may not be possible to find a solution. This can happen if the initial conditions are contradictory or if the equation is not solvable using known methods.

Are there any tips for finding constants for an IVP?

Some tips for finding constants for an IVP include carefully setting up the initial conditions, using algebraic techniques to simplify the equations, and being patient and methodical in the solving process. It can also be helpful to double check your work and make sure the solution satisfies both the equation and the initial conditions.

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