How to find the distance to a cluster using the apparent magnitude

In summary, the discussion revolves around finding the distance to Cluster B by using the main sequence and luminosity of two stars, Star α and Star β, in the cluster. The main sequence can be approximated by a relation of L∝T^5. Star α has the same B – V colour as the Sun and an effective temperature of 5800K, while Star β has an effective temperature of 9000K. By using the equation L∝T^5 and the known luminosity of Star α, the absolute luminosity of Star β can be calculated. By comparing this with the apparent luminosity of Star β, the distance to Cluster B can be derived. However, the color of the stars must be taken
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Homework Statement


The main sequence can be approximated by a relation of the form L[itex]\propto[/itex]T^5 .
In Cluster A, a main sequence star called Star α has the same B – V colour as the Sun, and a V-band apparent magnitude of 11.3.
The effective temperature of Star α is 5800K. In Cluster B, a main sequence star called Star β has an effective temperature of 9000K and a V-band apparent magnitude of 17.0.
Derive an approximate value for the distance to Cluster B. {9}

I have already shown that Cluster A lies at an approximate distance of 200pc by using its absolute magnitude as 4.8 which was stated.

Homework Equations



m[itex]_{a}[/itex]-M[itex]_{a}[/itex]=5log[itex]_{10}[/itex](d[itex]_{a}[/itex])-5
m[itex]_{b}[/itex]-M[itex]_{b}[/itex]=5log[itex]_{10}[/itex](d[itex]_{b}[/itex])-5

L=4[itex]\pi[/itex]σR[itex]^{2}[/itex]T[itex]_{eff}[/itex][itex]^{4}[/itex] ( However as in the question earlier on it says L is proportional to T^5 I don't think we can use this equation)


The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried numerous ways but I can't seem to get the distance for cluster B on its own.

Also I do not really see how you can use L[itex]\propto[/itex]T[itex]^{5}[/itex] in the equations for the apparent and absolute magnitude.

I am so confused any help would be great, thanks :approve:
 
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##L\propto T^5## can be expressed as ##\displaystyle \frac{L}{T^5}=\text{constant}## or ##\displaystyle\frac{L_1}{T_1^5} = \frac{L_2}{T_2^5}## for two stars 1 and 2.

This is not ∝T^4 as it takes into account how the radius depends on the temperature.

You know the temperatures of both stars and the luminosity of one star, this allows to calculate the luminosity of the other star.
 
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Hi,

I am still a little confused, how do I know the luminosity of star a, I know the distance but wouldn't I need to no the flux or am I supposed to use m[itex]_{a}[/itex]=-2.5log(L)+5log(d)+ constant. If so how can I use this equation when I don't know what the constant is or am I supposed to ignore it?

Thanks again.
 
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ppy said:
Hi,

I am still a little confused, how do I know the luminosity of star a, I know the distance but wouldn't I need to no the flux or am I supposed to use m[itex]_{a}[/itex]=-2.5log(L)+5log(d)+ constant. If so how can I use this equation when I don't know what the constant is or am I supposed to ignore it?

Thanks again.
See my post, you just have to insert values in that formula to get the absolut luminosity of star B.
You can (but do not have to) determine the constant if you like.
 
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ok, so I now think I have the luminosity of star B how I can I use this to find the distance to star B
 
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You can compare the absolute luminosity with the apparent luminosity. Be careful in which way the color influences the values you have.
 
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in which equations are there 2 different types of luminosity. I only know of the absolute magnitude and the apparent magnitude but not an absolute luminosity and an apparent luminosity. I am very confused.
 

Related to How to find the distance to a cluster using the apparent magnitude

1. How do you calculate the distance to a cluster using the apparent magnitude?

To calculate the distance to a cluster using the apparent magnitude, you can use the distance modulus formula: distance (in parsecs) = 10^(0.2 * (m-M+5)), where m is the apparent magnitude and M is the absolute magnitude of the cluster.

2. What is the difference between apparent magnitude and absolute magnitude?

Apparent magnitude is a measure of how bright an object appears to us on Earth, while absolute magnitude is a measure of how bright an object would appear if it were located at a standard distance of 10 parsecs away from Earth.

3. How do you determine the absolute magnitude of a cluster?

The absolute magnitude of a cluster can be determined by measuring the apparent magnitudes of individual stars within the cluster and using the average value to calculate the cluster's absolute magnitude.

4. Can you use the distance to a cluster to determine its age?

No, the distance to a cluster alone is not enough to determine its age. Other factors such as the cluster's chemical composition and stellar evolution must also be considered.

5. Is the distance to a cluster a precise measurement?

No, the distance to a cluster is not a precise measurement and can be affected by various uncertainties, such as errors in the measured magnitudes or assumptions made in the calculation method.

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