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I am reading Ernst Kunz book, "Introduction to Plane Algebraic Curves"
I need help with interpreting Example 1.2.
The relevant text pertaining to Example 1.2 is as follows:
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Question 1
In Example 1.2 above how do we interpret \(\displaystyle aX + bY + c = 0\)? ... ...I understand that the coefficients come from the field \(\displaystyle K\) ... ... But if we want to plot and examine the curve in the affine plane \(\displaystyle \mathbb{A}^2 (K)\) ... do we take values of \(\displaystyle X, Y\) from \(\displaystyle K\) also? If not what do we do regarding plotting and visualizing the curve in the affine plane ... ?
Question 2In the above text we read the following:" ... ... If \(\displaystyle K_0 \subset K\) is a subfield and \(\displaystyle a,b,c \in K_0\), then the line \(\displaystyle g: aX +bY + c = 0\) certainly possesses \(\displaystyle K_0\)-rational points. ... ... "How do we (formally and rigorously) show that this statement is true?
Hope someone can help ...
Peter
*** NOTE ***
Just a thought on my own Question 2 above ... ...
\(\displaystyle \Gamma \ : \ g = 0\) would contain the points \(\displaystyle X = -c/a, Y= 0\) and \(\displaystyle X = 0, Y = -c/b\) ... that is the points \(\displaystyle ( -c/a, 0), (0, -c/b) \in \Gamma\) ... ...
Further \(\displaystyle K_0\) would contain \(\displaystyle 0\) since \(\displaystyle K_0\) is a subring ... ...So ... ... if we can show that \(\displaystyle K_0\) contains \(\displaystyle -c/a\) and \(\displaystyle -c/b\) we then have shown that the points \(\displaystyle ( -c/a, 0), (0, -c/b) \in K^2\) and hence the points \(\displaystyle ( -c/a, 0), (0, -c/b) \in \Gamma_0 = \Gamma \cap K^2\) ... ... that is that the points \(\displaystyle ( -c/a, 0), (0, -c/b)\) are \(\displaystyle K_0\)-rational points of \(\displaystyle \Gamma\) ... ... BUT \(\displaystyle K_0 \) is a subring not a subfield and so ... we cannot assume \(\displaystyle a^{-1}\) and \(\displaystyle b^{-1} \in K_0\) ...Is my analysis so far correct? ... and if so how do we conclude that the line \(\displaystyle g: aX +bY + c = 0\) possesses \(\displaystyle K_0\)-rational points.
*** NOTE 2 *** (Smirk)
Oh my goodness! Just read Example 1.2 (a) again ... Kunz mentions that he assumes \(\displaystyle K_0 \subset K\) is a subfield ... I was reading the definition of \(\displaystyle K_0\)-rational points of \(\displaystyle \Gamma\) in Definition 1.1 ! ... did not notice that in Example 1.2 (a) he changes the assumption about \(\displaystyle K_0\) ... ...
... hmmm ... must read maths texts more carefully ...
So ... ... now I think the difficulty I mentioned above has gone and the points \(\displaystyle ( -c/a, 0), (0, -c/b)\) are \(\displaystyle K_0\)-rational points of \(\displaystyle \Gamma\) ...
Can someone please confirm that my analysis is correct ... or point out errors ...
I need help with interpreting Example 1.2.
The relevant text pertaining to Example 1.2 is as follows:
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/4548
Question 1
In Example 1.2 above how do we interpret \(\displaystyle aX + bY + c = 0\)? ... ...I understand that the coefficients come from the field \(\displaystyle K\) ... ... But if we want to plot and examine the curve in the affine plane \(\displaystyle \mathbb{A}^2 (K)\) ... do we take values of \(\displaystyle X, Y\) from \(\displaystyle K\) also? If not what do we do regarding plotting and visualizing the curve in the affine plane ... ?
Question 2In the above text we read the following:" ... ... If \(\displaystyle K_0 \subset K\) is a subfield and \(\displaystyle a,b,c \in K_0\), then the line \(\displaystyle g: aX +bY + c = 0\) certainly possesses \(\displaystyle K_0\)-rational points. ... ... "How do we (formally and rigorously) show that this statement is true?
Hope someone can help ...
Peter
*** NOTE ***
Just a thought on my own Question 2 above ... ...
\(\displaystyle \Gamma \ : \ g = 0\) would contain the points \(\displaystyle X = -c/a, Y= 0\) and \(\displaystyle X = 0, Y = -c/b\) ... that is the points \(\displaystyle ( -c/a, 0), (0, -c/b) \in \Gamma\) ... ...
Further \(\displaystyle K_0\) would contain \(\displaystyle 0\) since \(\displaystyle K_0\) is a subring ... ...So ... ... if we can show that \(\displaystyle K_0\) contains \(\displaystyle -c/a\) and \(\displaystyle -c/b\) we then have shown that the points \(\displaystyle ( -c/a, 0), (0, -c/b) \in K^2\) and hence the points \(\displaystyle ( -c/a, 0), (0, -c/b) \in \Gamma_0 = \Gamma \cap K^2\) ... ... that is that the points \(\displaystyle ( -c/a, 0), (0, -c/b)\) are \(\displaystyle K_0\)-rational points of \(\displaystyle \Gamma\) ... ... BUT \(\displaystyle K_0 \) is a subring not a subfield and so ... we cannot assume \(\displaystyle a^{-1}\) and \(\displaystyle b^{-1} \in K_0\) ...Is my analysis so far correct? ... and if so how do we conclude that the line \(\displaystyle g: aX +bY + c = 0\) possesses \(\displaystyle K_0\)-rational points.
*** NOTE 2 *** (Smirk)
Oh my goodness! Just read Example 1.2 (a) again ... Kunz mentions that he assumes \(\displaystyle K_0 \subset K\) is a subfield ... I was reading the definition of \(\displaystyle K_0\)-rational points of \(\displaystyle \Gamma\) in Definition 1.1 ! ... did not notice that in Example 1.2 (a) he changes the assumption about \(\displaystyle K_0\) ... ...
... hmmm ... must read maths texts more carefully ...
So ... ... now I think the difficulty I mentioned above has gone and the points \(\displaystyle ( -c/a, 0), (0, -c/b)\) are \(\displaystyle K_0\)-rational points of \(\displaystyle \Gamma\) ...
Can someone please confirm that my analysis is correct ... or point out errors ...
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