How to mathematically describe this weird set of points?

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Homework Statement
I have this set of points defined for ##x , y\in \mathbb Z##. What condtitions do we need to describe it?
Relevant Equations
##|x| \le |y|##
It is clear that one part of the solution is ##|x|\le |y|##, but that is not enough. We need another condition to get rid of some points. How to find it?

I tried to write down some x-values and their y-value and tried to find a pattern, but I didn't see it. Any help?
 

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It looks like they are very regular. Are they multiples of some number? If so, do you know how to describe that set?
 
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Try writing equations for the lines (include the bounds).
 
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You can eliminate a variable by division ##q:=x/y## and write the set as ##\{q\in \mathbb{Q}\,|\,|q|\leq 1\}.## There is no pattern between numerator and denominator except ##|x|\leq |y|.## How else would you describe all rational numbers as less or equal to one? There are really, really many of them.
 
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I got it! Writing down equations of some lines was very helpful...
 
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Lotto said:
I got it! Writing down equations of some lines was very helpful...
What was your answer? I had to piece logic together:
Let ##4\mathbb{Z} = \{4i : i \in \mathbb{Z}\}##. ##A=\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z} : (|x|=|y| )\vee (( |x|\lt |y|) \wedge ((x\in 4\mathbb{Z}) \vee (y\in 4\mathbb{Z})))\}##
I think ##A## works as the answer but I would not bet the farm on it.
 
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FactChecker said:
What was your answer? I had to piece logic together:
Let ##4\mathbb{Z} = \{4i : i \in \mathbb{Z}\}##. ##A=\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z} : (|x|=|y| )\vee (( |x|\lt |y|) \wedge ((x\in 4\mathbb{Z}) \vee (y\in 4\mathbb{Z})))\}##
I think ##A## works as the answer but I would not bet the farm on it.
I have it similar, but your solution is more elegant. My is ##(|x| \le |y|) \land ((|x|=|y|) \lor (x \equiv 0 \mod 4) \lor (y \equiv 0 \mod 4))##.
 
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Lotto said:
I have it similar, but your solution is more elegant. My is ##(|x| \le |y|) \land ((|x|=|y|) \lor (x \equiv 0 \mod 4) \lor (y \equiv 0 \mod 4))##.
I like yours better.
 

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