How to Show Commutativity of Charge Current Density Operator?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the charge current density operator for the Dirac equation and the attempt to show that it commutes when measured at two spacelike separated points. The use of microcausality and the properties of gamma are discussed, with a question about the manipulation of indices and the inclusion of the microcausality condition.
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Homework Statement



The charge current density operator for the Dirac equation is defined as : [itex]s^\mu = - ec \bar{\psi}\gamma^\mu\psi[/itex].

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I need to show that the current density operator commutes when measured at two spacelike separated points :

[itex][s^\mu(x),s^\nu(y)] = 0 [/itex] for [itex](x-y)^2 < 0[/itex].

The Attempt at a Solution



First, I inspired myself with the following post :

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=234580"

However, I admit that I don't understand how this thread has been tagged "solved" since there is nothing there to help anyone... (or I don't see how the second post is a hint good enough to end the thread).

So, I get that by microcausality, the field must anti-commute :

[itex]\{ \psi(x), \bar{\psi}(y) \} = 0[/itex].

The commutator can be obtained by a simple substitution :

[itex][s^\mu(x),s^\nu(y)] = e^2 c^2( \bar{\psi}(x) \gamma^\mu \psi (x) \bar{\psi}(y) \gamma^\nu \psi(y) - \bar{\psi}(y) \gamma^\nu \psi(y) \bar{\psi}(x) \gamma^\mu \psi (x) )[/itex]

My problem here is how to deal with the [itex]\gamma^\mu[/itex]. I know that [itex]s^\mu[/itex] is basically 4 numbers ([itex]\mu[/itex] = 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4). So I deduce that [itex]- ec \bar{\psi}\gamma^\mu\psi[/itex] must also be 4 numbers.

I tried expressing this quantity using the matrix indices. I got the following expression:

[itex]s^\mu = - ec \bar{\psi}_\alpha (\gamma^\mu)_{\alpha \beta} \psi_{\beta}[/itex] (The Einstein summation convention on repeated indices is used here).

By using this formalism, I wrote the commutator and I got the following expression :

[itex][s^\mu(x),s^\nu(y)] = e^2 c^2( \bar{\psi}_\alpha (x) \psi_\beta (x) \bar{\psi}_\delta (y) \psi_\epsilon (y) (\gamma^\mu)_{\alpha \beta} (\gamma^\nu)_{\delta \epsilon} - \bar{\psi}_\alpha (y) \psi_\beta (y) \bar{\psi}_\delta (x) \psi_\epsilon (x) (\gamma^\nu)_{\alpha \beta} (\gamma^\mu)_{\delta \epsilon} )[/itex]

This is the point where I am stuck. I notice that if I just exchange the indices [itex]\alpha \leftrightarrow \delta[/itex] and [itex]\beta \leftrightarrow \epsilon[/itex] in the second term, the commutator goes to zero without any problem.

My questions are :

#1 Can I do this ? It seems to easy to be true...

#2 I put the [itex]\gamma[/itex] at the end of my expression... Can I move them in this way? Since, they are numbers, I took the liberty of moveing them around. However, can I do this with the fields ?

#3 I did not use the microcausality condition to get this result. Is it required or not ? And if so, ca I have a hint as to where I should include it ?

Thanks for your help (I spent a whole day on this thing and I am really going nowhere)!
 
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Nobody can help me ? :frown:
 
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You can't do that. If you change the order of the summations you are changing the order of the matrices.
I think should demonstrate that the commutator is a number and not a matrix using the definition of the 4-density current and gamma properties.
 

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