How to solve mass-spring system when affected by torque in a pulley?

In summary, the equation for torque is given by: Torque = moment of inertia times angular acceleration, where C is a factor of dampening.
  • #1
bolzano95
89
7
Homework Statement
Write a differential equation for a mass-spring system.
Relevant Equations
F=ma
pulley.png

image1.png
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
bolzano95 said:
There is no friction between the rope and pulley.
You don't mean that. A frictionless pulley means there is no friction at the axle.
If there were no friction between pulley and rope the pulley would not turn; the rope would just slide over it.

A few mistakes towards the end.
Torque = moment of inertia times.. what?
A factor of R seems to have disappeared somewhere.
 
  • #3
haruspex said:
You don't mean that. A frictionless pulley means there is no friction at the axle.
If there were no friction between pulley and rope the pulley would not turn; the rope would just slide over it.

A few mistakes towards the end.
Torque = moment of inertia times.. what?
A factor of R seems to have disappeared somewhere.
Sorry, I meant the rope does not slip on the pulley.

I fixed the last equations and double checked the R-s. But I'm still confused by what you mean with
Torque = moment of inertia times ... what?
The torque in this case is given as a product of C and angular velocity, where C is a factor of dampening.

Screenshot 2021-04-27 at 12.39.24.png

Is this correct?
 
  • #4
bolzano95 said:
The torque in this case is given as a product of C and angular velocity
Torque has dimension ##ML^2T^{-2}##. Moment of inertia is ##ML^2## and angular velocity is ##T^{-1}##. Multiplying those last two gives ##ML^2T^{-1}##, not torque.

bolzano95 said:
C is a factor of dampening.
There is no damping here (much less dampening - all is dry). The forces are all conservative.
 
  • #5
I checked the torque and I agree there is something wrong, but unfortunately I have to use the given formula (it's mandatory). But I think that in the coefficient C are hidden necessary units.

I suppose that the goal of this problem is to write a homogeneous linear differential formula, but what I get is a nonhomogeneous one. So I just wanted to check if my solving process is correct.
 
  • #6
bolzano95 said:
I have to use the given formula (it's mandatory)
Either you were given the wrong formula or you have misunderstood.
The equation is ##\tau=I\alpha##, torque equals moment of inertia times angular acceleration.
 
  • #7
The statement “... there is a torque in the axis or rotation” suggests to me that the shown diagram does not correspond with the text of this problem.
 
  • #8
Lnewqban said:
The statement “... there is a torque in the axis or rotation” suggests to me that the shown diagram does not correspond with the text of this problem.
Good point.
@bolzano95, does that statement correspond to a part of the problem statement that you have left out? I.e. your ##-C\omega## term is correct but your error is that you left out the ##-I\alpha## term from the torque difference?

I remain doubtful of that because axial friction should be ##-C\frac{\omega}{|\omega|}(T_1+T_2)##.

Edit: added tension factor above.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes Lnewqban

FAQ: How to solve mass-spring system when affected by torque in a pulley?

What is a mass-spring system?

A mass-spring system is a physical system that consists of a mass attached to a spring. The spring provides a restoring force that is proportional to the displacement of the mass from its equilibrium position.

How is torque affected by a pulley in a mass-spring system?

In a mass-spring system, a pulley can introduce a torque, or rotational force, on the system. This torque can affect the motion of the mass and spring, causing changes in their displacement, velocity, and acceleration.

What is the equation for solving a mass-spring system affected by torque in a pulley?

The equation for solving a mass-spring system affected by torque in a pulley is given by:
F = ma = -kx + Iα
where F is the net force on the mass, m is the mass, a is the acceleration, k is the spring constant, x is the displacement of the mass, I is the moment of inertia of the pulley, and α is the angular acceleration.

How do you determine the moment of inertia of a pulley in a mass-spring system?

The moment of inertia of a pulley in a mass-spring system can be determined by using the formula:
I = ½MR²
where M is the mass of the pulley and R is the radius of the pulley.

What are some real-life applications of a mass-spring system affected by torque in a pulley?

A mass-spring system affected by torque in a pulley can be found in various real-life applications such as weightlifting machines, clock pendulums, and car suspensions. It is also commonly used in engineering and physics experiments to study the behavior of oscillating systems.

Similar threads

Replies
18
Views
485
Replies
10
Views
671
Replies
10
Views
4K
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
22
Views
4K
Replies
40
Views
3K
Replies
8
Views
649
Back
Top