How will our world be different if supersymmetry is an unbroken symmetry?

In summary: In fact, any two particles with an expectation value could do this. Fermions would have to have a negative expectation value, while bosons would have a positive expectation value. Why does non zero density or temperature break super symmetry?Why does non zero density or temperature break super symmetry?Different densities or temperatures can break supersymmetry because bosons and fermions are different types of particles. Fermions have to have a negative expectation value, while bosons have a positive expectation value. If both types of particles have the same density or temperature, then supersymmetry is not broken.
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petergreat
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With all kinds of low energy superpartner particles floating around, do we get the same types of atoms and molecules that build up our world? Will the periodic table of elements be larger or smaller? Is this world friendly to the evolution of intelligent life?
 
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petergreat said:
With all kinds of low energy superpartner particles floating around, do we get the same types of atoms and molecules that build up our world? Will the periodic table of elements be larger or smaller? Is this world friendly to the evolution of intelligent life?

More or less the same, at least for the partners of quarks and leptons. The spectrum is full of particles with the same mass charge and spin that the superpartners should have. It is only that they are QCD particles.

A different point is about the partners of gauge bosons, I can not imagine the world with a photino or gauginos.

Which are the interactions of the photino?
 
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The world would look rougly the same. The supersymmetric particles would still behave as dark matter. But if there are lighter, normal particles have more decay channels, so various particles are less stable. Probably most matter would break into the lightest supersymmetric particles, which would be fotino, sneutrino and selectron.

A different point is about the partners of gauge bosons, I can not imagine the world with a photino or gauginos.
It's not unlike ours :).
 
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The world would look completely different. As one example, you could make atoms with selectrons rather than electrons, and the Pauli principle wouldn't apply. There would be no periodic table to speak of.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
The world would look completely different. As one example, you could make atoms with selectrons rather than electrons, and the Pauli principle wouldn't apply. There would be no periodic table to speak of.
Ok, if selectrons were stable. But if they are not, it is not different from an atom with a pion.

True, with exact supersymmetry, the selectron would be stable. But even a small upwards breaking would do it very different.

But it is good you have grought the selectron example! The electron is the one that does not have a "pionic partner". This is, there are in nature exactly six spin zero, charge minus one, particles:

pion- at 139.5 MeV
kaon- at 493.6 MeV
D- at 1869 MeV
Ds- at 1968 MeV,
B-, at 5279 MeV
Bc-, at 6277 MeV

In the "unbroken supersymmety" scenary, we should get six spin zero, charge minus one, particles: 2 at 105 meV, 2 at 1776 MeV, 2 at 0.510 MeV. The two selectrons are the stable ones in your scenary, and yes it is the difference with the actual world.

It is interesting to note that if the electron were massless and the mass of the muon were exactly the mass of the pion-, the later would be stable at first order.
 
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massless charged particles would make EM field short-range.
 
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What does that have to do with the OP's question?
 
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Just for fun, I suppose the silliest answer would be that our world would be very different because there wouldn't be anything in it. Non-zero density or temperature breaks supersymmetry (basically because bosons are different from fermions). So truly unbroken supersymmetry would require a cold empty world.
 
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Physics Monkey said:
Just for fun, I suppose the silliest answer would be that our world would be very different because there wouldn't be anything in it. Non-zero density or temperature breaks supersymmetry (basically because bosons are different from fermions). So truly unbroken supersymmetry would require a cold empty world.

Why does non zero density or temperature break super symmetry?
 
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Prathyush said:
Why does non zero density or temperature break super symmetry?

There are lots of ways to see that something has to happen. At the algebraic level, finite temperature and density break Lorentz invariance. SUSY inherits this breaking. Physically, a finite density of weakly interacting bosons forms a superfluid while a finite density of weakling interacting fermions forms a Fermi liquid. These things have different heat capacities, for example. Or take the path integral point of view, bosons and fermions get different boundary conditions around the thermal circle leading to different spectra.
 
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At the algebraic level, finite temperature and density break Lorentz invariance.
Wait, how?
 
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haael said:
Wait, how?

Let's say either [tex] J^{\mu} [/tex] or [tex] T^{\mu \nu} [/tex] or both may have an expectation value that breaks Lorentz invariance.
 

Related to How will our world be different if supersymmetry is an unbroken symmetry?

1. What is supersymmetry and how does it relate to the world?

Supersymmetry is a theoretical framework in physics that proposes a symmetry between particles with different spin values. It suggests that for every known particle, there exists a "superpartner" particle with a different spin. If supersymmetry is an unbroken symmetry, it would mean that these superpartners have the same mass as their corresponding particles, which could have significant implications for our understanding of the world.

2. How would our understanding of the universe change if supersymmetry is an unbroken symmetry?

If supersymmetry is an unbroken symmetry, it would have a major impact on our understanding of the universe. It could potentially help explain the hierarchy problem, dark matter, and the unification of fundamental forces. It would also provide a more complete and elegant description of the universe, with all particles and their superpartners having equal mass and symmetry.

3. What are the potential practical applications of supersymmetry?

If supersymmetry is an unbroken symmetry, it could have several practical applications. It could lead to the discovery of new particles, which could have technological applications in fields such as energy production and communication. It could also have implications for the development of new materials and technology, as well as medical advancements.

4. What evidence do we have for or against supersymmetry being an unbroken symmetry?

Currently, there is no direct evidence for or against supersymmetry being an unbroken symmetry. Scientists are actively conducting experiments and observations to try and detect the predicted superpartner particles. However, so far, no conclusive evidence has been found. This lack of evidence has led some to question whether supersymmetry is a valid theory.

5. How close are we to proving or disproving the existence of supersymmetry?

The search for supersymmetry is an ongoing process, and there is no definitive answer to this question. Many experiments, such as the Large Hadron Collider, are actively looking for evidence of supersymmetry, but so far, no conclusive results have been found. Some scientists believe that if supersymmetry does exist, it may only be discovered at much higher energies than we can currently produce. Others argue that the lack of evidence could indicate that supersymmetry does not exist at all. Further research and experimentation will be necessary to answer this question definitively.

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