I cant understand this prove explanation on limit series

In summary, the conversation discusses the proof of a continues function f(x) that is bounded on (x_0,+infinity). The proof shows that for every T, there exists a sequence X_n=+infinity such that lim [f(x_n +T) - f(x_n)]=0 as n->+infinity. The conversation also mentions the use of delta in limit proofs for finite numbers and the use of a large number M in limit proofs for approaching infinity.
  • #1
transgalactic
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there is a continues function f(x) and bounded on (x_0,+infinity)
proove that for every T there is a sequence
X_n=+infinity
so
lim [f(x_n +T) - f(x_n)]=0
n->+infinity

i was told:
uppose that [itex]\lim_{x\to\infty}f(x)=a[/itex]. So we know that given any [itex]\varepsilon>0[/itex] there exists a [itex]\eta>0[/itex] such that [itex]\eta< x\implies |f(x)-a|<\varepsilon~(1)[/itex], and since [itex]x_n\to \infty[/itex] we may find a [itex]\delta>0[/itex] such that [itex]\delta<n\implies \eta<x_n~(2)[/itex]. Now suppose that [itex]T>0[/itex] (the proof for the other cases is analgous), then choose [itex]\delta[/itex] such that [itex](2)\implies (1)[/itex] then [itex]\left[f\left(x+T\right)-f(x)\right|\leqslant \left|f\left(x+T\right)-a\right|+|f(x)-a|<2\varepsilon[/itex], this implies the result.


but whrn i read this article on limit proves
http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-h...e-never-learnt-well-epsilon-delta-proofs.html

i learned from the delta proofes article that when you define the delta

[itex]
\delta>0
[/itex]
it needs to come with
[itex]
|x-x_3|<\delta
[/itex]
in our case x_3 goes to infinity
so the inqueality that i presented not logical

but on the other hand
it how its done on the article limit proove

??
 
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  • #2
Limits in which x approaches infinity are proved differently than those for which x approaches some finite number a.

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} f(x) = L[/tex]

means that for any [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex] there exists a number M > 0, such that for any x > M, then |f(x) - L| < [itex]\epsilon[/itex]

If I want to prove the limit above to you, you tell me how close f(x) has to be to L (you give me [itex]\epsilon[/itex]), and I tell you a number M.

If you're satisfied, we shake hands and go about our business.

If you're not satisfied, you tell me another [itex]\epsilon[/itex] that's even smaller, and I have to find another M (even larger).

And so on, until you're convinced that I can force f(x) as close to L as you like, by specifiying how big x has to be.

Got it?
 
  • #3
in your explanation M is delta>0
??
 
  • #4
transgalactic said:
in your explanation M is delta>0
??
No. M is generally a pretty large number, while [itex]\delta[/itex] is usually very small. A big difference is the definition I showed doesn't try to get x within [itex]\delta[/itex] of infinity.
 
  • #5
but he does use delta

for what purpose
??
 
  • #6
If the limit is as x approaches a finite number a, you use [itex]\delta[/itex], since you want to make x very close to a. I.e., you want to make |x - a| < [itex]\delta[/itex].
If the limit is as x approaches infinity, that's a different matter, since as I explained earlier, you can't get x within [itex]\delta[/itex] of infinity. You can, however, make x larger than some (presumably large) number M.

I don't think I can make it any clearer than that.
 

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