Ideals in Polynomial rings - Knapp - page 146

In summary: ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
  • #1
Math Amateur
Gold Member
MHB
3,998
48
I am reading Anthony W. Knapp's book, Basic Algebra.

On page 146 in the section of Part IV (which is mainly on groups and group actions) which digresses onto rings and fields, we find the following text on the nature of ideals in the polynomial rings \(\displaystyle \mathbb{Q} [X] , \mathbb{R} [X] , \mathbb{C} [X]\).View attachment 2888
In the above example we find the text:

"... ... ... The equality \(\displaystyle C(X) = A(X) - f(X)B(X) \) shows that \(\displaystyle C(X)\) is in \(\displaystyle I\), and the minimality of deg f implies that \(\displaystyle C(X) = 0\). ... ... ... "

Can someone please help me to understand why the minimality of deg f implies that \(\displaystyle C(X) = 0\)?

Peter
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Peter said:
I am reading Anthony W. Knapp's book, Basic Algebra.

On page 146 in the section of Part IV (which is mainly on groups and group actions) which digresses onto rings and fields, we find the following text on the nature of ideals in the polynomial rings \(\displaystyle \mathbb{Q} [X] , \mathbb{R} [X] , \mathbb{C} [X]\).View attachment 2888
In the above example we find the text:

"... ... ... The equality \(\displaystyle C(X) = A(X) - f(X)B(X) \) shows that \(\displaystyle C(X)\) is in \(\displaystyle I\), and the minimality of deg f implies that \(\displaystyle C(X) = 0\). ... ... ... "

Can someone please help me to understand why the minimality of deg f implies that \(\displaystyle C(X) = 0\)?

Peter

Hi Peter,

There were two possibilities: $C(X) = 0$ or $\text{deg}\, C < \text{deg}\, f$. Since $C(X)$ is in $I$, if $C(X)$ is nonzero, then $\text{deg}\, C \ge \text{deg}\, f$ (since $f$ is the element of $I$ of smallest degree). This contradicts the inequality $\text{deg}\, C < \text{deg}\, f$. Therefore $C(X) = 0$.
 
  • #3
The text is just observing that for a field, $F[x]$ is Euclidean (with "$d$" function being the degree of a polynomial), and any such Euclidean domain is a principal ideal domain.

Indeed, in any Euclidean domain $D$, given an ideal $I$ of $D$, we have $I = (x)$ for some $x \in D$. The argument is just the same:

Suppose that $x \in I \neq (0)$ is such that $d(x)$ is minimal (if $I = (0)$, choose $x = 0$). Let $y$ be any other element of $I$. I claim $x|y$. Since $D$ is Euclidean, we may write:

$y = qx + r$ where $d(r) < d(x)$, or $r = 0$.

Now $r = y - qx \in I + RI = I + I = I$. Hence, by the minimality of $d(x)$, we must conclude $r = 0$, and $y = qx$.

So every element of $I$ is $ax$, for some $a \in D$, that is: $I = (x)$.

Euclidean domains are very "nice rings". Algebraically, they share many of the desirable features of the integers:

1) Unique factorization
2) No zero divisors
3) Simple ideal structure
4) Primes = irreducibles
5) A division algorithm, allowing for easy computation in quotient rings
6) the Bezout identity for GCD's

One of the remarkable features about POLYNOMIAL rings over a field is that they provide "additional structure" to the field, which turns out to be just enough "extra stuff" to create larger fields out of smaller fields.

In essence, what is happening here, is the abstracting of the way "algebraic numbers" were added to the rational field. This process was set in motion by the observation of the pythagoren identity for a right triangle:

$a^2 + b^2 = c^2$.

If $a = b = 1$ (as is the case with half a "unit square"), then $c$ is a square root of 2:

$1 + 1 = 2 = c^2$, that is:

$c^2 - 2 = 2 - 2 = 0$.

Algebraic expressions involving $\sqrt{2}$ were originally written as "formal sums", the expression:

$a+b\sqrt{2}$ was held to be "non-simplifiable". It was taken as "obvious" that such things referred to an actual "magnitude" and that magnitudes could algebraically manipulated, and were "numbers" (and formed a field, although they were not called as such). Nowadays the modern term is "adjunction", and pre-supposes we can create an even larger structure (in this case, the algebraic CLOSURE of the rational numbers) in which all such expressions live.

Almost everything I have written here was certainly known to someone like Euler (and most of it to Euclid), but they would not have had the same VOCABULARY. It would not be until Evariste Galois investigated solutions of polynomials IN GENERAL, that "shuffling of roots" would come to be seen as the most salient feature involved with SOLVING polynomials (a vestige of this, or perhaps, a hint of things to come, is found when high-school students learn to "rationalize" the denominators of things like:

$\dfrac{x}{\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}}$

by multiplying by "the conjugate", which is another root of the SAME polynomial $\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}$ satisfies).

It would be some time still, after that, that it would be realized that such "shufflings" captured something ESSENTIAL about "reversible algebraic operations" (solving equations), including our two favorite such operations: addition, and multiplication.

Addition can be seen as the "abstraction" of COUNTING, and multiplication as the "abstraction" of TRANSFORMING, or more precisely:

Abelian groups are $\Bbb Z$-modules and monoids are endomorphisms of some set (groups are the subset of invertible transformations of said set). In this sense, one can honestly say:

"Integers are the single most important algebraic structure there is, to understand anything else, you must know them".

When one learns long-division, one is doing "deep ring theory", although that is hardly apparent at the time. It is little wonder it proves to be so difficult the first time around.
 
  • #4
Euge said:
Hi Peter,

There were two possibilities: $C(X) = 0$ or $\text{deg}\, C < \text{deg}\, f$. Since $C(X)$ is in $I$, if $C(X)$ is nonzero, then $\text{deg}\, C \ge \text{deg}\, f$ (since $f$ is the element of $I$ of smallest degree). This contradicts the inequality $\text{deg}\, C < \text{deg}\, f$. Therefore $C(X) = 0$.

Thanks Euge ... yes, simple implication of the Euclidean division algorithm ... hmm ... should have seen it ...

Thanks again for the help ...

Peter

- - - Updated - - -

Deveno said:
The text is just observing that for a field, $F[x]$ is Euclidean (with "$d$" function being the degree of a polynomial), and any such Euclidean domain is a principal ideal domain.

Indeed, in any Euclidean domain $D$, given an ideal $I$ of $D$, we have $I = (x)$ for some $x \in D$. The argument is just the same:

Suppose that $x \in I \neq (0)$ is such that $d(x)$ is minimal (if $I = (0)$, choose $x = 0$). Let $y$ be any other element of $I$. I claim $x|y$. Since $D$ is Euclidean, we may write:

$y = qx + r$ where $d(r) < d(x)$, or $r = 0$.

Now $r = y - qx \in I + RI = I + I = I$. Hence, by the minimality of $d(x)$, we must conclude $r = 0$, and $y = qx$.

So every element of $I$ is $ax$, for some $a \in D$, that is: $I = (x)$.

Euclidean domains are very "nice rings". Algebraically, they share many of the desirable features of the integers:

1) Unique factorization
2) No zero divisors
3) Simple ideal structure
4) Primes = irreducibles
5) A division algorithm, allowing for easy computation in quotient rings
6) the Bezout identity for GCD's

One of the remarkable features about POLYNOMIAL rings over a field is that they provide "additional structure" to the field, which turns out to be just enough "extra stuff" to create larger fields out of smaller fields.

In essence, what is happening here, is the abstracting of the way "algebraic numbers" were added to the rational field. This process was set in motion by the observation of the pythagoren identity for a right triangle:

$a^2 + b^2 = c^2$.

If $a = b = 1$ (as is the case with half a "unit square"), then $c$ is a square root of 2:

$1 + 1 = 2 = c^2$, that is:

$c^2 - 2 = 2 - 2 = 0$.

Algebraic expressions involving $\sqrt{2}$ were originally written as "formal sums", the expression:

$a+b\sqrt{2}$ was held to be "non-simplifiable". It was taken as "obvious" that such things referred to an actual "magnitude" and that magnitudes could algebraically manipulated, and were "numbers" (and formed a field, although they were not called as such). Nowadays the modern term is "adjunction", and pre-supposes we can create an even larger structure (in this case, the algebraic CLOSURE of the rational numbers) in which all such expressions live.

Almost everything I have written here was certainly known to someone like Euler (and most of it to Euclid), but they would not have had the same VOCABULARY. It would not be until Evariste Galois investigated solutions of polynomials IN GENERAL, that "shuffling of roots" would come to be seen as the most salient feature involved with SOLVING polynomials (a vestige of this, or perhaps, a hint of things to come, is found when high-school students learn to "rationalize" the denominators of things like:

$\dfrac{x}{\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}}$

by multiplying by "the conjugate", which is another root of the SAME polynomial $\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}$ satisfies).

It would be some time still, after that, that it would be realized that such "shufflings" captured something ESSENTIAL about "reversible algebraic operations" (solving equations), including our two favorite such operations: addition, and multiplication.

Addition can be seen as the "abstraction" of COUNTING, and multiplication as the "abstraction" of TRANSFORMING, or more precisely:

Abelian groups are $\Bbb Z$-modules and monoids are endomorphisms of some set (groups are the subset of invertible transformations of said set). In this sense, one can honestly say:

"Integers are the single most important algebraic structure there is, to understand anything else, you must know them".

When one learns long-division, one is doing "deep ring theory", although that is hardly apparent at the time. It is little wonder it proves to be so difficult the first time around.

Thanks so much for the extensive help Deveno ... your help is much appreciated in my goal to understand ring and module theory ...

Working through this now and trying to ensure that I fully understand both what you say and the implications of what you say ...

Thanks again,

Peter
 
  • #5
,

The minimality of deg f means that the degree of f is the smallest possible degree for any polynomial in the ideal I. This implies that any other polynomial in I must have a higher degree than f, and therefore cannot be used to cancel out the term f(X)B(X) in the equation C(X) = A(X) - f(X)B(X). Therefore, the only way for the equation to hold is for C(X) to be equal to 0. This shows that C(X) must be in the ideal I, and since C(X) is a nonzero polynomial, this also implies that I must be the zero ideal.
 

Related to Ideals in Polynomial rings - Knapp - page 146

1. What are ideals in polynomial rings?

Ideals in polynomial rings are subsets of the ring that satisfy certain properties. They are used to generalize the concept of divisibility and provide a framework for understanding the structure of polynomial rings.

2. How are ideals in polynomial rings different from ideals in other rings?

Ideals in polynomial rings have some unique properties, such as being generated by a single element. They also have a special relationship with the polynomial division algorithm.

3. How are ideals in polynomial rings related to polynomial factors?

Ideals in polynomial rings can be used to represent polynomial factors. If a polynomial is a multiple of another polynomial, then the ideal generated by the first polynomial will contain the ideal generated by the second polynomial.

4. What is the ideal generated by a single polynomial?

The ideal generated by a single polynomial is the set of all polynomials that can be obtained by multiplying the given polynomial by any other polynomial in the ring. It is denoted by (f), where f is the generating polynomial.

5. How are ideals in polynomial rings related to the zero divisor property?

Ideals in polynomial rings are closely related to the zero divisor property. If an ideal contains a polynomial that is a zero divisor, then the entire ideal will also be a zero divisor. Conversely, if an ideal does not contain any zero divisors, then the ring will not have any zero divisors either.

Similar threads

  • Linear and Abstract Algebra
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • Linear and Abstract Algebra
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • Linear and Abstract Algebra
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • Linear and Abstract Algebra
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • Linear and Abstract Algebra
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • Linear and Abstract Algebra
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • Linear and Abstract Algebra
Replies
1
Views
879
  • Linear and Abstract Algebra
Replies
1
Views
958
  • Linear and Abstract Algebra
Replies
24
Views
4K
Back
Top