Implicit Differentiation of 5=2x^2y+7xy^2

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In summary, you are trying to find the derivative of the function $5=2x^2y+7xy^2$. You are integrating rather than differentiating and the derivative of a constant is 0.
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find dy/dx of
$$5=2x^2y+7xy^2$$

ok didn't know how to set this up with the $5=$
 
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karush said:
find dy/dx of
$$5=2x^2y+7xy^2$$

ok didn't know how to set this up with the $5=$
When you take the derivative of both sides you wind up with \(\displaystyle \dfrac{d}{dx}(5)\). What is the derivative of a constant?

-Dan
 
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5x

But how do we know it is x not y
 
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karush said:
5x

But how do we know it is x not y
You are trying to find the derivative \(\displaystyle \dfrac{dy}{dx}\) right?

\(\displaystyle 5 = 2x^2 y + 7x y^2\)

\(\displaystyle \dfrac{d}{dx}(5) = \dfrac{d}{dx} (2x^2 y) + \dfrac{d}{dx} (7x y^2) \)

-Dan
 
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karush said:
5x

But how do we know it is x not y
NO! You appear to be integrating rather than differentiating. The derivative of any constant is 0.
 
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$\displaystyle \dfrac{d}{dx}(5) = \dfrac{d}{dx} (2x^2 y) + \dfrac{d}{dx} (7x y^2)$
d/dx
$0=4xy-2x^2yy'+7y^2-14xyy'$
isolate y'
$-2x^2yy'-14xyy'=4xy+7y^2$
$y'(-2x^2y-14xy)=4xy+7y^2$
simplify
$\displaystyle y'= \frac{(4 xy + 7 y^2)}{(-2x^2 - 14x y)}=- \frac{y (4 x + 7 y)}{2 x (x + 7 y)}$
 
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karush said:
$\displaystyle \dfrac{d}{dx}(5) = \dfrac{d}{dx} (2x^2 y) + \dfrac{d}{dx} (7x y^2)$
d/dx
$0=4xy {\color{red}{+} 2x^2 y'}+7y^2 {\color{red}{+}} 14xyy'$

corrections ... try again
 
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done try more!
$0=4xy-2x^2y'+7y^2-14xyy'$
isolate y'
$-2x^2y'-14xyy'=4xy+7y^2$
$y'(-2x^2-14xy)=4xy+7y^2$
simplify
$\displaystyle
y'= \frac{(4 xy + 7 y^2)}{(-2x^2 - 14x y)}
=- \frac{y (4 x + 7 y)}{2 x (x + 7 y)}$
 
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karush said:
done try more!
$0=4xy-2x^2y'+7y^2-14xyy'$
isolate y'
$-2x^2y'-14xyy'=4xy+7y^2$
$y'(-2x^2-14xy)=4xy+7y^2$
simplify
$\displaystyle
y'= \frac{(4 xy + 7 y^2)}{(-2x^2 - 14x y)}
=- \frac{y (4 x + 7 y)}{2 x (x + 7 y)}$
Look more carefully at skeeter's post.
\(\displaystyle \dfrac{d}{dx}(2x^2 y) = 4xy + 2x^2y'\)

\(\displaystyle \dfrac{d}{dx}(7x y^2) = 7y^2 + 14xy y'\)

Why are you putting the negative sign in there?

-Dan
 
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like this
$0=4xy+2x^2y'+7y^2+14xyy'$
isolate y'
$-2x^2y'-14xyy'=4xy+7y^2$
$y'(-2x^2-14xy)=4xy+7y^2$
simplify
$\displaystyle
y'= \frac{(4 xy + 7 y^2)}{(-2x^2 - 14x y)}
=- \frac{y (4 x + 7 y)}{2 x (x + 7 y)}$
 

FAQ: Implicit Differentiation of 5=2x^2y+7xy^2

What does "implicit dy/dx" mean?

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