Implicit differentiation problem.

In summary, the conversation is about finding the derivative of x + y = 1/x^2 + 8/y^2. The equation is rewritten and differentiated, but the resulting expression for the derivative appears incorrect. The expert suggests factoring out y´(x) and dividing by the remaining expression to solve the problem.
  • #1
Dissonance in E
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Homework Statement


Find y´(x) for x + y = 1/x^2 + 8/y^2


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The Attempt at a Solution


Rewrite the eq. as
x + y = x^-2 + 8y^-2
differentiate.
1 + y´(x) = (-2x^-3) + (-16y^-3)(y´(x))
Rearrange
1 + (2x^-3) = (-16y^-3)(y´(x)) - (y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/(16y^-3) = (-2y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/((-2)16y^-3) = y´(x)

Now I know that the answer should look like this:
(1+2x^−3 )/(−1−16y^−3).

What am i doing wrong?
 
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  • #2
Dissonance in E said:
Rearrange
1 + (2x^-3) = (-16y^-3)(y´(x)) - (y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/(16y^-3) = (-2y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/((-2)16y^-3) = y´(x)
Something looks really strange for the 2nd line. Careless mistake?
 
  • #3
How do i not eliminate the y´(x) term? I am probably doing some really basic mistake that should be enough motivation to make me drop calculus.

1 + (2x^-3) = (-16y^-3)(y´(x)) - (y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/(-16y^-3) = (y´(x)) - (y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/(-16y^-3) = 0
 
  • #4
You want to make y'(x) the subject, hence you factor it out.
1 + (2x^-3) = (-16y^-3)(y´(x)) - (y´(x)) = y'(x) (-16y^-3 - 1)
This appears to be an algebra issue that you are facing, so you might want to work on it.
 
  • #5
From: 1 + (2x^-3) = (-16y^-3)(y´(x)) - (y´(x))
You cannot divide by (-16y^-3) on both sides, in order to get your next expression, because the last part of your equation -> " - y´(x) " doesn't have that factor in it.

Instead, "pull out" y´(x) from the second half of the equation giving:

1 + (2x^-3) = y´(x)*[-16y^-3 - 1] (I put in brackets to make it a bit easier.

From here it should be pretty easy, just divide by " -16y^-3 - 1"
 

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What is implicit differentiation?

Implicit differentiation is a method used in calculus to find the derivative of a function that is not explicitly defined in terms of a single variable. This is commonly used when the function is expressed as an equation with both x and y variables.

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