Independence of path of line integral

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of continuity in functions and how it is affected by the denominators in the partial derivatives. The poster also shows examples and asks for confirmation on their conclusions. The final answer to the problem is 9/4, but the notes given by the poster have a mistake with the answer being -9/8. The functions P and Q are not continuous at x=0 due to the denominators in the partial derivatives.
  • #1
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Homework Statement
http://s2.ipicture.ru/uploads/20120117/ReWSCD1f.jpg

The attempt at a solution
[tex]\frac{\partial P}{\partial y}=\frac{2y}{x^3}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}=\frac{2y}{x^3}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial P}{\partial y}[/tex]

According to my notes: Both functions are continuous, except at x=0.
My tentative explanation: This is due to the denominator in [itex]\frac{2y}{x^3}[/itex] which will make the fraction equal to infinity at x=0. Therefore the functions won't be continuous at x=0. Is this explanation correct?

Apparently, at this stage, i am free to choose whatever path i please. I'm going to start from path y=1 (1,1) to (2,1) and then move up the path x=2 (2,1) to (2,2).

Then, i do direct substitution:
[tex]I=\int^2_1\frac{11}{x^3}\,dx+\int^2_1 -\frac{5}{4}\,ydy[/tex]
Is this correct?
After i did the integration, i get the final answer: [itex]-\frac{87}{8}[/itex] but it's wrong.
 
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  • #2
I think if your line integral is path independent, you can use the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus as your vector field is just a gradient field of a scalar function.
 
  • #3
I don't understand what you're talking about.
 
  • #4
The correct answer is: -9/8

For the path i chose in the first post, the graph is like this:
http://s2.ipicture.ru/uploads/20120117/K2c405Y4.jpg

I think you're wrong about the path going "under" the origin, as the line x=0 is the y-axis. So the graph is not allowed to cross the y-axis but can go under the x-axis. Correct?
 
  • #5
If the answer is 9/4, then what is wrong with my calculation from post #1?
Is this expression correct?
[tex]I=\int^2_1\frac{11}{x^3}\,dx+\int^2_1 -\frac{5}{4}\,ydy[/tex]And no one answered this:
sharks said:
According to my notes: Both functions are continuous, except at x=0.
My tentative explanation: This is due to the denominator in [itex]\frac{2y}{x^3}[/itex] which will make the fraction equal to infinity at x=0. Therefore the functions won't be continuous at x=0. Is this explanation correct?
 
  • #6
Can anyone help?
 
  • #7
sharks said:
If the answer is 9/4, then what is wrong with my calculation from post #1?
Is this expression correct?
[tex]I=\int^2_1\frac{11}{x^3}\,dx+\int^2_1 -\frac{5}{4}\,ydy[/tex]

It is correct, and the result is 9/4. How did you get different result? Show details.

ehild
 
  • #8
Hi ehild!:smile:
[tex]\int^2_1\frac{11}{x^3}\,dx=\int^2_111x^{-3}\,dx=-\frac{11}{2x^2}=\frac{33}{8}[/tex]
[tex]\int^2_1 -\frac{5}{4}\,ydy=-\frac{5y^2}{8}=-\frac{15}{8}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{33}{8}-\frac{15}{8}=\frac{9}{4}[/tex]
Indeed, the answer is [itex]\frac{9}{4}[/itex]. However, in my notes, the answer is [itex]-\frac{9}{8}[/itex] for this problem. It must be a mistake in my notes.
 
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  • #9
Your notes are wrong then. It happens... :smile:

And the functions are not continuous at x=0, because of the x in the denominator.

ehild
 
  • #10
ehild said:
And the functions are not continuous at x=0, because of the x in the denominator.

To confirm my suspicions on this:

For example, if [tex]\frac{\partial P}{\partial y}=\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}=\frac{2x}{y^2}[/tex]
Then, the functions are not continuous at y=0.

And if [tex]\frac{\partial P}{\partial y}=\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}=\frac{2x}{x+y^2}[/tex]
Then, the functions are not continuous at (0,0).

Are my conclusions correct?
 
  • #11
I do not get you. What functions are you talking about? Of course, the functions P and Q are not continuous where the denominator is zero (x=0). So you need to use such path for integration which does not include x=0.

ehild
 
  • #12
In my post #12 above, i just gave 2 random examples, as i wanted to understand that it's really the denominator from [itex]\frac{\partial P}{\partial y}[/itex] and [itex]\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}[/itex] which determine whether the functions P and Q are continuous or not. Since there is also x^3 and x^2 in the denominators from the original problem. I'm sorry if this seems a bit confusing.
 
  • #13
sheriff89 said:
P and Q not being continuous depends on THEIR expression having x^3 or x^2 at the denominator.

Ah OK! Thanks for this clarification, sheriff89.:smile:
 

FAQ: Independence of path of line integral

1. What is the concept of "independence of path" in a line integral?

The independence of path in a line integral refers to the property that the value of the integral remains the same regardless of the path taken between the two endpoints. This means that the value of the integral is only dependent on the endpoints and not on the specific path chosen.

2. How is the independence of path proved in a line integral?

The independence of path is proven using the fundamental theorem of calculus, which states that the value of a line integral can be calculated by finding the antiderivative of the function being integrated and evaluating it at the two endpoints. This shows that the path taken does not affect the value of the integral, as long as the endpoints remain the same.

3. Why is the concept of independence of path important in line integrals?

The concept of independence of path is important because it allows for greater flexibility in calculating line integrals. It means that we can choose any convenient path between the endpoints, rather than being restricted to a specific path. This makes it easier to solve problems and can lead to more efficient calculations.

4. Are there any special cases where the independence of path does not hold true in line integrals?

Yes, there are some cases where the independence of path does not hold true. One example is when the function being integrated is not continuous or has a singularity along the chosen path. In these cases, the path taken can affect the value of the integral, and the concept of independence of path may not apply.

5. How does the concept of independence of path relate to conservative vector fields?

The concept of independence of path is closely related to conservative vector fields. A vector field is conservative if and only if the line integral between any two points is independent of the path taken. This means that if a vector field is conservative, the independence of path property will always hold true for line integrals in that field.

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