Inertial Forces: Is Force Same From Heavy/Light Body?

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between force and acceleration in a system consisting of a heavy and light body in contact with each other. It is concluded that the contact force between the objects is greater when the force is applied on the lighter body, and that this is not affected by friction. The conversation then moves on to discuss the motion of a bubble in a zero gravity spaceship and concludes that the force acting on the bubble cannot be solely due to the acceleration of the spaceship.
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Homework Statement


If I act a force on a system consisting of a heavy and light body in
contact with each other from the side of the heavy body and then I act
the same force from the side of the light body, the inertial force
between the two bodies would be the same?

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The Attempt at a Solution



I know from experience that the inertial force is bigger in the first case
Does friction has to do with the proof?
 
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The contact force between the objects has to accelerate the body that you are not pushing on directly. So if you push on the lighter one, the contact force is greater than if you push on the heavier one. Nothing to do with friction.
 
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Thank you for your immediate answer.

Let me see if I got it right.

If the masses m (the light one) and M (the heavy one) are a system of bodies, then no matter on which side I act the force F, the acceleration will be the same, i.e. a.
If I act the force F on the mass m, the contact force F΄ must accelerate the mass M to a.
If I act the force F on the mass M, the contact force F΄΄ must accelerate the mass m to a.
Since a is the same and M>m, then F΄>F΄΄

If there is friction, the only difference is that I will have another acceleration, i.e. a΄
 
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Right, exactly. Where a=F/(m+M). I couldn't have put it better myself.
 
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You have been very helpful. I would dare to ask another question. I will put it here,too.

A bubble m(t) is in a spaceship with zero gravity.
It seems that the bubble's motion is due to a force F=k.m^2, where k is a constant.
Could this force be due to the acceleration of the spaceship?

My answer:
Let us suppose tha the spaceship moves with acceleration a in regard to an inertial system whose the observer says that no force is acted on the bubble because of zero gravity.
The observer in the spaceship would find a pseudo force on the bubble which would pull it down, just as gravity does. But the pseudo forces are always proportional to the masses. So the answer is NO.
I cannot figure out if the variable mass of the bubble has to do with the answer
 
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Your answer is right. Another way to say the same thing is that the acceleration of two objects feeling your 'force' would be the same independent of the mass. The question is asking you to use the converse. If F=km^2=ma, then a=km. So a is not independent of mass and the force can't be purely due to acceleration (or gravity).
 

FAQ: Inertial Forces: Is Force Same From Heavy/Light Body?

What are inertial forces?

Inertial forces are forces that arise due to the tendency of an object to resist changes in its state of motion. They are present in all objects, and their magnitude depends on the mass and acceleration of the object.

How do inertial forces differ for heavy and light bodies?

Inertial forces are the same for both heavy and light bodies. However, the effects of these forces may be more noticeable in lighter objects since they have less mass to resist changes in their motion.

Are inertial forces considered real forces?

No, inertial forces are not considered real forces. They are a result of the laws of motion and do not have a specific physical origin.

Do inertial forces have any practical applications?

Yes, inertial forces have many practical applications. They are essential in fields such as aerospace engineering, where they are used to design and control spacecraft and aircraft.

How can we minimize the effects of inertial forces?

The effects of inertial forces can be minimized by using techniques such as adding stabilization systems or making the object more aerodynamic. In some cases, reducing the speed or acceleration of the object can also help minimize the effects of inertial forces.

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