Inertial Frame of Reference: Is it an Ideal Concept?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of inertial frames of reference and whether they actually exist in the practical world. The participants also consider the idea of absolute rest and uniform velocity, and the role of gravity in affecting inertial frames. There is a debate on what it means for a reference frame to "actually exist" and the practicality of using theoretical models in scientific studies.
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ritwik06
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It is sometimes heard that inertial frame of reference does not actually exists and is only an ideal concept. What do you guys think?

Say, for example, An object is placed far away from all objects that can exert force on it. A reference frame is taken by taking the origin and axes fix in this. Will the frame be necessarily inertial?
I think yes. But I am not very confident.

Is anything in the universe absolutely non accelerated?
 
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I would say that it depends on what it would mean for a reference frame (ineritial or not) to "actually exist". A reference frame is nothing more or less than a coordinate system, and as such I don't really know how the term "actually exists" would apply.

I would take a practical stance that (insofar as any reference frame can be said to "actually exist") a reference frame is actually inertial if no deviations from the standard form of the laws can be detected in the given experiment. If an effect is smaller than what is experimentally observable then it is fine to ignore.
 
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DaleSpam said:
I would say that it depends on what it would mean for a reference frame (ineritial or not) to "actually exist". A reference frame is nothing more or less than a coordinate system, and as such I don't really know how the term "actually exists" would apply.

I would take a practical stance that (insofar as any reference frame can be said to "actually exist") a reference frame is actually inertial if no deviations from the standard form of the laws can be detected in the given experiment. If an effect is smaller than what is experimentally observable then it is fine to ignore.

"actually exist" meant in practical world.
Is anything at absolute rest or moving with uniform velocity?
And I am not talking to ignore those effects, however small they may be.
Is there any such inertial frame of reference?
 
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ritwik06 said:
Is anything at absolute rest or moving with uniform velocity?

I would say no, just because the range of a bodies gravitational pull is infinite. so where ever this thing that is at rest is, it will accelerate slightly due to the acceleration of gravity.
 
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ritwik06 said:
"actually exist" meant in practical world.
That's a bit of a contradiction. The practical world worries about what is practical. Newtonian mechanics does not "actually exist" and yet many scientists and engineers use Newtonian mechanics (a) because its "practical", (b) it is sufficiently accurate for the problem at hand, and (c) using a more accurate model is not warranted. For that matter, general relativity and quantum electrodynamics probably don't "actually" exist, either; we just don't know what's wrong with them yet.

The rest of your post veers far from this concept of the practical. You are talking about whether inertial frames exist theoretically given perfect measurements. Of course not. Then again, neither does Newtonian mechanics "actually exist".
 

FAQ: Inertial Frame of Reference: Is it an Ideal Concept?

What is an inertial frame of reference?

An inertial frame of reference is a coordinate system that remains at rest or moves with a constant velocity in a straight line. In this frame, Newton's first law of motion holds true, which states that an object will remain at rest or in motion with a constant velocity unless acted upon by an external force.

Why is the concept of an inertial frame of reference important?

The concept of an inertial frame of reference is important because it allows us to analyze the motion of objects without the influence of external forces. It provides a consistent frame of reference for making accurate measurements and predictions about an object's motion.

Is the inertial frame of reference an ideal concept?

In theory, yes, the inertial frame of reference is an ideal concept. However, in reality, it is difficult to achieve a truly inertial frame due to the presence of external forces such as air resistance and friction. Therefore, the concept is often used as an approximation for real-world scenarios.

Can the inertial frame of reference be applied to all types of motion?

No, the inertial frame of reference is only applicable to objects that are moving at a constant velocity in a straight line. For objects that are accelerating or experiencing non-uniform motion, a non-inertial frame of reference must be used.

How does the concept of an inertial frame of reference relate to relativity?

The concept of an inertial frame of reference is closely related to the theory of relativity. In Einstein's theory of special relativity, the laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames of reference. This means that observers in different inertial frames will measure the same physical phenomena, regardless of their relative velocities.

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