Integral Compute: $\int \sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+x}}}\ dx$

In summary, the conversation discussed the integral $I=\int \sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+x}}}\,dx$ where the expression contains $n\ge 1$ square roots. It was mentioned that this integral is connected to the identity $2\ \cos \frac{\theta}{2}= \sqrt {2 + 2\ \cos \theta} = \sqrt{2 + \sqrt {2 + 2\ \cos 2 \theta}} = \sqrt{2 + \sqrt{2 + ... + \sqrt{2 + 2\ \cos 2^{n-1}\ \theta}}}$ and a solution was provided using this identity. However,
  • #1
anemone
Gold Member
MHB
POTW Director
3,883
115
Compute the integral $I=\int \sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+x}}}\,dx$ where the expression contains $n\ge 1$ square roots.
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
  • #2
anemone said:
Compute the integral $I=\int \sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+x}}}\,dx$ where the expression contains $n\ge 1$ square roots.

Just a comment - the integrand looks like a variation on an approximation for $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \pi \end{align*}$...
 
  • #3
Hint:

Use trigonometric substitution.
 
  • #4
anemone said:
Compute the integral $I=\int \sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+x}}}\,dx$ where the expression contains $n\ge 1$ square roots.

[sp]The solution is strictly connected to the identity...

$\displaystyle 2\ \cos \frac{\theta}{2}= \sqrt {2 + 2\ \cos \theta} = \sqrt{2 + \sqrt {2 + 2\ \cos 2 \theta}} = \sqrt{2 + \sqrt{2 + ... + \sqrt{2 + 2\ \cos 2^{n-1}\ \theta}}}\ (1)$

... and from (1) we derive...

$\displaystyle f_{n} (x) = 2\ \cos \frac{\cos^{-1} \frac{x}{2}}{2^{n}}\ (2)$

... so that with a little of patience we find...

$\displaystyle \int f_{n}(x)\ d x = \frac{2^{n+1}}{4^{n}-1}\ \{ \sqrt{4 - x^{2}}\ \sin (2^{-n}\ \cos^{-1} \frac{x}{2}) + 2^{n}\ x\ \cos (2^{-n}\ \cos^{-1} \frac{x}{2})\} + c\ (3) $ [/sp]

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
  • #5
Thank you chisigma for your solution and thanks for participating too!:)

A solution of other for sharing:

With the substitution $x=2\cos t$, we have

$\begin{align*}\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+x}}}&=\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+2\cos t}}}\\&=\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+2\cos \dfrac{t}{2}}}\\&=2\cos \dfrac{t}{2^n}\end{align*}$

The integral becomes

$\begin{align*}I&=-4\int \sin t \cos \dfrac{t}{2^n} \,dt\\&=-2\int \left(\sin \left(\dfrac{2^n+1}{2^n} \right)t -\sin \left(\dfrac{2^n-1}{2^n} \right)t \right) \,dt\\&=\dfrac{2^{n+1}}{2^n+1}\cos \left( \dfrac{2^n+1}{2^n}\cos^{-1}\dfrac{x}{2}\right)-\dfrac{2^{n+1}}{2^n-1}\cos \left( \dfrac{2^n-1}{2^n}\cos^{-1}\dfrac{x}{2}\right)+C\end{align*}$
 
  • #6
anemone said:
Thank you chisigma for your solution and thanks for participating too!:)

A solution of other for sharing:

With the substitution $x=2\cos t$, we have

$\begin{align*}\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+x}}}&=\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+2\cos t}}}\\&=\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+2\cos \dfrac{t}{2}}}\\&=2\cos \dfrac{t}{2^n}\end{align*}$

The integral becomes

$\begin{align*}I&=-4\int \sin t \cos \dfrac{t}{2^n} \,dt\\&=-2\int \left(\sin \left(\dfrac{2^n+1}{2^n} \right)t -\sin \left(\dfrac{2^n-1}{2^n} \right)t \right) \,dt\\&=\dfrac{2^{n+1}}{2^n+1}\cos \left( \dfrac{2^n+1}{2^n}\cos^{-1}\dfrac{x}{2}\right)-\dfrac{2^{n+1}}{2^n-1}\cos \left( \dfrac{2^n-1}{2^n}\cos^{-1}\dfrac{x}{2}\right)+C\end{align*}$

above is true only if $-2 \le x \le 2$ . This condition was not mentioned
 
  • #7
Hi kaliprasad,

I think you're right, we can only tell $x\ge -2$ but we cannot prove that $x\le 2$...:(
 
  • #8
anemone said:
Hi kaliprasad,

I think you're right, we can only tell $x\ge -2$ but we cannot prove that $x\le 2$...:(

kaliprasad meant that the substitution is valid only if $-2 \le x \le 2$ and this was not mentioned in the problem, for $x \ge 2$, the substitution $x=2\cosh t$ would work.
 
  • #9
Pranav said:
kaliprasad meant that the substitution is valid only if $-2 \le x \le 2$ and this was not mentioned in the problem, for $x \ge 2$, the substitution $x=2\cosh t$ would work.

My point is, if we could show that $x \le 2$, we then could safely opt for that trig substitution but since we could not, then there is a flaw in the proposed solution.:)
 

FAQ: Integral Compute: $\int \sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+x}}}\ dx$

What is "Integral Compute"?

Integral Compute is a method for calculating integrals, which are mathematical expressions that represent the area under a curve. It involves using techniques such as substitution, integration by parts, and partial fractions to find the exact value of the integral.

What does the notation $\int \sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\cdots+\sqrt{2+x}}}\ dx$ mean?

This notation represents an infinite nested radical, where the value of each square root term is added to the next. The integral sign indicates that we are finding the area under the curve of this expression with respect to the variable x.

Why is this integral difficult to solve?

The nested radical in this integral makes it difficult to solve because it involves an infinite number of terms, making it impossible to find a closed-form solution. This means that we cannot express the solution as a finite combination of standard mathematical functions.

Are there any special techniques for solving this integral?

Yes, there are a few techniques that can be used to solve this integral. One approach is to use the substitution method, where we replace the nested radical with a new variable and then solve the integral in terms of that variable. Another technique is to use integration by parts, where we break the integral into smaller parts and integrate each one separately.

What are some real-world applications of this integral?

This integral has applications in various fields such as physics, engineering, and finance. For example, it can be used to calculate the work done by a force over a distance, the area under a velocity-time graph, or the present value of a continuous cash flow. It also has applications in advanced mathematical concepts such as fractals and infinite series.

Similar threads

Back
Top