Integrating the sqrt of a function

In summary, the conversation discusses the task of integrating a function with a specific form in order to find an equation that describes a function of time. The first examples have values of n = -1 and n = -2. One solution is given and the differentiation of this solution is checked. However, the original expression cannot be obtained from this solution. The conversation ends with a request for further assistance in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement



Apologies for the vague title, I'm not reall sure what I'm look at here! I am doing some revision on solving the Friedmann equations, and in a lot of cases I end up having to integrate a function that looks like

(xan - 1)-1/2 da = dt

where a is a function of t, x is a constant, and I am trying to find an equation that describes a as a function of t. The first examples I have found have n = -1, n = -2

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I do have a solution for one of these in my lecture notes. In the case where

dt = (xa-1-1)-1/2

the solution is given as

t = x arctan ((xa-1-1)-1/2) - a1/2 (x - a)1/2

I would normally look on wolfram and work through their step-by-step solution to teach myself the method, but even wolfram can't answer this one! Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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ck99 said:

Homework Statement



Apologies for the vague title, I'm not reall sure what I'm look at here! I am doing some revision on solving the Friedmann equations, and in a lot of cases I end up having to integrate a function that looks like

(xan - 1)-1/2 da = dt

where a is a function of t, x is a constant, and I am trying to find an equation that describes a as a function of t. The first examples I have found have n = -1, n = -2

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



I do have a solution for one of these in my lecture notes. In the case where

dt = (xa-1-1)-1/2

the solution is given as

t = x arctan ((xa-1-1)-1/2) - a1/2 (x - a)1/2

I would normally look on wolfram and work through their step-by-step solution to teach myself the method, but even wolfram can't answer this one! Any help would be much appreciated.

You can check the stated result by differentiating which is often all the insight anyone needs.
 
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Thanks for the tip. I have tried that approach, and double-checked my differentiation with wolfram, but I can't get from the given solution to the starting point in that direction either!

I started with the first term in the solution

d/da x arctan ((xa-1-1)-1/2)

. . . lots of substitutions . . .

= x2(1+(xa-1-1)-1/2)-1(2a2(xa-1-1)3/2)-1

Phew! And for the second term in the solution, I got

d/da a1/2 (x - a)1/2 = (x-2a)(2(xa-a2)1/2)-1

As I say, I have checked these differentiations with Wolfram so I am sure they are correct (although there is always the possibility of transcription errors when typing such complex formulae) but I can't see how they add up to give the original expression I was trying to integrate. What could I try next?
 
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ck99 said:
Thanks for the tip. I have tried that approach, and double-checked my differentiation with wolfram, but I can't get from the given solution to the starting point in that direction either!

I started with the first term in the solution

d/da x arctan ((xa-1-1)-1/2)

. . . lots of substitutions . . .

= x2(1+(xa-1-1)-1/2)-1(2a2(xa-1-1)3/2)-1

Phew! And for the second term in the solution, I got

d/da a1/2 (x - a)1/2 = (x-2a)(2(xa-a2)1/2)-1

As I say, I have checked these differentiations with Wolfram so I am sure they are correct (although there is always the possibility of transcription errors when typing such complex formulae) but I can't see how they add up to give the original expression I was trying to integrate. What could I try next?

I don't have time today to go through that - perhaps another site member could. Showing more of your working wouldn't harm.

Excercise for students!:approve:

Are you sure you quoted result right? Some other bracket? For the second part I got

- x a-1/2 (x - a)-1/2 .
 
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FAQ: Integrating the sqrt of a function

What is the purpose of integrating the sqrt of a function?

The purpose of integrating the sqrt of a function is to find the area under the curve of the function. This can be useful in various applications, such as calculating volumes, work done, and center of mass.

How is integrating the sqrt of a function different from integrating other functions?

Integrating the sqrt of a function is different from integrating other functions because it involves finding the inverse of the derivative, rather than just finding the antiderivative. This means that the process may require more advanced techniques, such as substitution or integration by parts.

Can the sqrt of a function always be integrated?

No, not all functions can be integrated, including the sqrt of a function. Some functions are considered "non-integrable" and do not have a closed form solution. In these cases, numerical methods can be used to approximate the integral.

What are some common mistakes when integrating the sqrt of a function?

One common mistake when integrating the sqrt of a function is forgetting to add the constant of integration. Another mistake is not taking into account the limits of integration, which can result in incorrect answers. It is also important to be careful with algebraic manipulations when simplifying the integral.

How can I check if my solution for integrating the sqrt of a function is correct?

You can check your solution by differentiating it and seeing if it matches the original function. You can also use a graphing calculator or software to graph both the original function and the integrated function to visually compare them. Additionally, you can use online integration calculators to verify your answer.

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