Interferance term, sum of 2 waves

In summary: Is that a mistake?In summary, the homework statement states that two waves, E_1 (x, y, z) and E_2 (x, y, z), have an interference term given by I_{12}. However, the given term does not match the answer given by the student.
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Homework Statement


Consider the following waves: [tex]\vec E _1 (\vec r , t) =\vec E_1 (\vec r) e^{-i \omega t}[/tex] and [tex]\vec E _2 (\vec r , t) =\vec E_2 (\vec r) e^{-i \omega t}[/tex] where the form of the wavefront isn't specified and where [tex]\vec E_1[/tex] and [tex]\vec E_2[/tex] are complex vectors which depend on spatial coordinates and the angle of the initial phase. Show that the term of interferance is given by [tex]I_{12}=\frac{1}{2} (\vec E _1 \cdot \vec E _2 ^* +\vec E _2 \cdot \vec E _1 ^*)[/tex]


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Not sure.

The Attempt at a Solution


Is it just me or the given E fields do NOT depend on the angle of initial phase?!
I took their E fields function, summed them up. It gave me [tex]e^{-i \omega t} [ \vec E _1 (\vec r ) + \vec E _2 (\vec r )][/tex].
Now if I remember well, the intensity of the resultant wave is proportional to the E field squared.
So I squared the expression I just wrote and I reached [tex]I_{12} = \alpha e^{-2i \omega t} [\vec E _1 ^2 (\vec r ) +\vec E _2 ^2 (\vec r ) +2 \vec E _1 (\vec r) \vec E _2 (\vec r ) ][/tex]. Now I guess the interference term is [tex]\alpha \vec E _1 (\vec r) \vec E _2[/tex] but it does not match the answer.
I realize that the given interference term is worth the sum of the product of the real parts and complex parts of [tex]\vec E _1[/tex] and [tex]\vec E _2[/tex] and precisely, this is not what happens in my answer.
Where did I go wrong?
 
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The intensity is given by [itex]I = \mathbf{E}^*\cdot\mathbf{E}[/itex]. It's not simply [itex]I=\mathbf{E}^2[/itex].
 
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vela said:
The intensity is given by [itex]I = \mathbf{E}^*\cdot\mathbf{E}[/itex]. It's not simply [itex]I=\mathbf{E}^2[/itex].

Ok thank you very much. Strangely I can't find it on the Internet. Wikipedia says that it's proportional to [tex]|E|^2[/tex]. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensity_(physics)#Mathematical_description.
Hmm I'm somehow confused.
 
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That's right. E is complex, so |E|2E2.
 
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vela said:
That's right. E is complex, so |E|2E2.

Oh I see, thanks for the clarification!
 
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vela said:
That's right. E is complex, so |E|2E2.

Sorry for bringing this back but I'm still missing something.
If I start from [tex]e^{-i \omega t} [ \vec E _1 (\vec r ) + \vec E _2 (\vec r )] [/tex]. I can think of it as a complex number of the form [tex]re^{i \theta}[/tex], where [tex]r=\vec E _1 (\vec r ) + \vec E _2 (\vec r )[/tex] and [tex]\theta =-\omega t[/tex].
Then the modulus of E is r. And the modulus squared is [tex]r^2[/tex].
Now I'll get something of the form [tex]I_{12} = \alpha [\vec E _1 ^2 (\vec r ) +\vec E _2 ^2 (\vec r ) +2 \vec E _1 (\vec r) \vec E _2 (\vec r ) ][/tex] and I still have no trace of a complex conjugate... Hmm I'll try to continue in this way. If you have any comment, feel free to share knowledge. :smile:
 
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From your first post
fluidistic said:
where [tex]\vec E_1[/tex] and [tex]\vec E_2[/tex] are complex vectors
 
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vela said:
From your first post
Ahhh, I misunderstood the question, sorry. I thought they meant [tex]\vec E _1 (\vec r , t)[/tex] and hence my question regarding the dependence on the angle of initial phase. The dependence was hidden inside [tex]\vec E _1[/tex]!
Ok I'll rethink the whole problem now.
Thanks once again for pointing that out.
 
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I almost have it I think.
I reach, starting from and assuming that [tex]I=E E^*[/tex] that [tex]I=|\vec E _1 (\vec r ) |+|\vec E _2 (\vec r )|+\vec E _1 \cdot \vec E _2 ^* +\vec E _2 \cdot \vec E _1 ^*[/tex].

I realize that the term of interference is [tex]\vec E _1 \cdot \vec E _2 ^* +\vec E _2 \cdot \vec E _1 ^*[/tex], but is it well "demonstrated"?
I can argue that if one doesn't know about interference, he will just guess that the intensity at any point in space is the sum of the intensities of the 2 wave sources, namely [tex]|\vec E _1 (\vec r ) |+|\vec E _2 (\vec r )|[/tex]. While if he does the experience he will see the interference effect and that it can be mathematically described by the term [tex]\vec E _1 \cdot \vec E _2 ^* +\vec E _2 \cdot \vec E _1 ^*[/tex].
I wonder if I've solved well the problem. What do you say? I have not used the fact that [tex]\vec E _i[/tex], [tex]i=1,2[/tex] is dependent on the initial phase.
 

FAQ: Interferance term, sum of 2 waves

What is an interference term in the context of waves?

The interference term refers to the mathematical combination of two or more waves in order to determine the resulting wave at a specific point in space and time. It takes into account the amplitude and phase of each individual wave to calculate the overall interference.

How is the interference term calculated?

The interference term is calculated by adding or subtracting the individual wave amplitudes at each point in space and time. This results in constructive or destructive interference, depending on the relative phases of the waves.

What is the significance of the interference term in wave phenomena?

The interference term is crucial in understanding wave behavior and phenomena such as diffraction, reflection, and refraction. It allows us to predict and analyze the resulting wave patterns when two or more waves interact with each other.

Can the interference term be negative?

Yes, the interference term can be negative in cases of destructive interference, where the amplitudes of the waves cancel each other out. This can result in a net decrease in wave amplitude at a specific point.

What is the sum of two waves without an interference term?

Without an interference term, the sum of two waves would simply be the addition of their individual amplitudes. This would result in a simple superposition of the waves, with no changes in amplitude or phase at a given point in space and time.

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