Interpretation of Flamm Paraboloid

In summary, the Flamm Paraboloid describes the spatial curvature caused by a gravitating mass in the Schwarzschild Metric. It differs from the Newtonian depiction of Gravitational Potential Wells in that it increases outwards instead of decreasing inwards. The analogy of a blade of grass bending in the middle can be used to understand this curvature, but it is important to note that the 2D paraboloid surface represents our 3D space and the direction of the curve does not matter. What matters is the variation in distances within the paraboloid, which are greater near the mass and smaller further away.
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In the Schwarzschild Metric, the curvature of space around the gravitating mass can be described by the Flamm Paraboloid:
[tex]w(r) = 2 \sqrt{r_{s} (r - r_{s})}[/tex]​
Unlike the Newtonian depiction of Gravitational Potential Wells (U = - G M / r) which decrease inwards, the Flamm Paraboloid increases outwards.

QUESTION: Does this mean, that rather than mass "bending the fabric of Spacetime 'downwards'" -- a la the "Rubber Sheet" analogy -- that mass actually bends the fabric of Spacetime about it "upwards" ?

ANALOGY: Take a long blade of grass. It's straight representing a flat 1D "Lineland" space. Now, bend the blade of grass at some spot in the middle. That represents the curving of space caused by a massive body, "at the point of bend". But, the result is not so much that the "point of bend" bends downwards, but that both tips of the blade of grass bend upwards.

Can this be construed as an accurate interpretation of the Flamm Paraboloid ? Perhaps, if you "embed" a roughly Schwarzschild-esque solution, for a star (say), in a larger Cosmological fabric of Spacetime, then those "tips of the blade of grass" are "anchored" into that larger fabric, so that when the star tries to bend those tips upward, it actually "pushes itself downwards" ??

I have tried to illustrate my questions w/ the attached figure below:
 

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Widdekind said:
QUESTION: Does this mean, that rather than mass "bending the fabric of Spacetime 'downwards'" -- a la the "Rubber Sheet" analogy -- that mass actually bends the fabric of Spacetime about it "upwards" ?
Flamm's paraboloid only represents the spatial curvature not the space-time curvature.
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/demoweb..._and_general_relativity/curved_spacetime.html

It doesn't matter if you visualize it downwards or upwards. What matters are the distances within the 2D paraboloid surface, which are greater near the mass than further away. The 3rd dimension of the pictures is irrelevant for someone living within the 2D paraboloid surface which represents our 3D space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_well#Gravity_wells_and_general_relativity
 
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Yes, your interpretation of the Flamm Paraboloid as a curved fabric of spacetime being pushed upwards by a massive body is accurate. In the analogy of the blade of grass, the tips of the blade represent the points in space where the curvature is the greatest, and the bending of the blade represents the bending of spacetime caused by the mass. This is similar to how the Flamm Paraboloid describes the curvature of spacetime around a massive object in the Schwarzschild Metric.

In the figure you have attached, the larger fabric of spacetime can be thought of as the overall curvature of the universe, and the smaller paraboloid represents the local curvature caused by the mass. As you mentioned, the mass is not bending the fabric of spacetime downwards, but rather pushing itself downwards due to the curvature it creates. This is in contrast to the Newtonian depiction of gravitational potential wells, where the mass is pulling objects towards it.

Your interpretation also highlights the concept of embedded solutions in the larger fabric of spacetime. In general relativity, the curvature of spacetime is not just caused by massive objects, but also by the overall distribution of matter and energy in the universe. So, in a sense, the massive object is embedded in the larger fabric of spacetime and is affecting the curvature around it.

Overall, your interpretation is a valid way to understand the Flamm Paraboloid and the curvature of spacetime in general relativity. It helps to visualize how massive objects affect the fabric of spacetime and how the overall curvature of the universe plays a role in this.
 

Related to Interpretation of Flamm Paraboloid

What is a Flamm Paraboloid?

A Flamm Paraboloid is a geometric shape that is formed by rotating a parabola around its axis. It is named after the German mathematician Richard Flamm.

What are the applications of Flamm Paraboloids?

Flamm Paraboloids have numerous applications in science and engineering, including in optics, acoustics, and fluid dynamics. They are also used in architecture and design for creating unique and aesthetically pleasing structures.

How do you interpret a Flamm Paraboloid?

The interpretation of a Flamm Paraboloid depends on its context and purpose. In general, it can be thought of as a curved surface that is created by rotating a parabola. It can also be seen as a three-dimensional representation of a parabola.

What are the properties of Flamm Paraboloids?

Flamm Paraboloids have several unique properties, including being a ruled surface, having constant Gaussian curvature, and having a focus that lies on its axis. They also have applications in conic sections and quadric surfaces.

What are the limitations of using Flamm Paraboloids in scientific research?

While Flamm Paraboloids have many useful properties, they also have limitations. For example, they can only represent a limited range of shapes and may not accurately reflect certain real-world phenomena. Additionally, their interpretation may vary depending on the context and may not always be applicable in scientific research.

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