Is (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) Always Less Than Zero in the Binomial Theorem?

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In summary, the conversation revolves around proving or disproving the inequality a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n), with the assumption that a and b are both integers greater than 1. Some examples were provided, but it was ultimately determined that the inequality is false for certain values of a, b, and n. It was suggested to try a few numerical examples and the possibility of negative or fractional values for a and b was also raised. The main focus was on understanding the statement being made and what exactly was being asked to prove.
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Thank you in advance, I need help proving or disproving this. In the binomial theorem, with a power (a+b)^n, I need to prove that a^n + b^n is greater than the rest, or in other words, (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n).
 
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eddybob123 said:
Thank you in advance, I need help proving or disproving this. In the binomial theorem, with a power (a+b)^n, I need to prove that a^n + b^n is greater than the rest, or in other words, (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n).



Uh? I think you forgot to add some info and/or to write some symbols, as it seems to the question doesn't make sense as it is.

DonAntonio
 
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It depends on what you use for a,b, and n. In some cases, a^n + b^n will be greater than "the rest", in others, it won't.
 
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I think you mean that you want to prove that [itex](a+ b)^n- (a^n+ b^n)[/itex] is positive. As Matt Benesi said, that depends upon what a and b are.
 
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If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]
 
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Dodo said:
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]



Too many assumptions: shall we let the OP to tell us what he meant, please?

DonAntonio
 
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Dodo said:
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]

That is correct. It can also be assumed that a and b do not equal 1.
 
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Dodo said:
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]



Since the OP already wrote a post saying this is correct, this is the same as [tex]2(a^n+b^n)>(a+b)^n[/tex] which is greatly false, for example: for [itex]\,\,a=1\,,\,b=2\,,\,n=3\,\,,\,\,or\,\,a=2\,,\,b=3\,,\,n=4\,\,[/itex] , and infinite counterexamples more.

DonAntonio
 
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Question: can a and b be less than 1? Can they be negative?

Just some interesting cases: in all of these cases, x^n+y^n = "all the rest".

n=2 and a=b.

For n=3 we have [itex]x=-y[/itex], [itex]x=y\times\left[2-\sqrt{3}\right][/itex], [itex]x=y\times\left[2+\sqrt{3}\right][/itex].

Getting more complicated for n=4, just one example (out of 4):
[tex]x=\sqrt{2\,\sqrt{3}+3}\,y+\sqrt{3}\,y+y[/tex]
or to preserve the format used above:
[tex]x=y\times\left[\sqrt{2\,\sqrt{3}+3}\,+\sqrt{3}\,+1\right][/tex]
 
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a and b both must be integral and greater than 1. (a^n + b^n) must be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) by obvious reasoning. First of all, the two terms, a^n and b^n, contains the highest power of the binomial expansion. The next highest power,n-1, should be greater than a^n or b^n only when n is greater than the following coefficient
 
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eddybob123 said:
a and b both must be integral and greater than 1. (a^n + b^n) must be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) by obvious reasoning. First of all, the two terms, a^n and b^n, contains the highest power of the binomial expansion. The next highest power,n-1, should be greater than a^n or b^n only when n is greater than the following coefficient



Either you don't understand mathematically what is going on here or else you're misunderstanding and/or misreading big time

the inequality you want/must prove.

You wrote above "(a^n + b^n) must be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) by obvious reasoning", which means Gauss knows what, but

this inequality is [itex]\,\,a^n+b^n>(a+b)^n-(a^n+b^n)\Longleftrightarrow 2(a^n+b^n)>(a+b)^n\,\,[/itex] , which already was show to be

false for lots and lots of options...Please do read and write carefully what you exactly want to achieve.

DonAntonio
 
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Please state exactly what you want to prove.
 

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