Is Entropy Extensive in an Ideal Solid?

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In summary, the problem requires proving that S(\lambdaE,\lambdaN)=\lambdaS(E,N) for an ideal solid. The attempt at a solution involves setting up the equation and distributing the lambda, but there is uncertainty about how to reduce the left side and how to correctly distribute the lambda on the right side.
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Homework Statement


Starting from S(E,N)=c(N)+3Nk[1+LN([itex]\frac{E}{3Nh\nu}[/itex])], derive a version of the Entropy, S(E,N) of an ideal solid that is extensive, that is, for which S([itex]\lambda[/itex]E,[itex]\lambda[/itex]N)=[itex]\lambda[/itex]S(E,N)


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The Attempt at a Solution


Basically have to prove that S([itex]\lambda[/itex]E,[itex]\lambda[/itex]N)=[itex]\lambda[/itex]S(E,N).

I can set it up, but I don't know how to eliminate terms to get to a form I can work with.
 
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I have it setup like this:

S(λ E,λ N)=λ S(E,N)

c(λN)+3(λN)k[1+ln[itex]\frac{λE}{3(λN)h\nu}[/itex]]=λ{c(N)+3Nk[1+ln[itex]\frac{E}{3Nh\nu}[/itex]]


But 1. I don't know how to reduce the left side, and
2. when I distribute λ through the right side, is it on everything ending up looking like this: c(λN)+λ(3Nk)[λ+ln[itex]\frac{λE}{λ(3Nh\nu)}[/itex]]? Or something else...
 
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cstang52 said:
ending up looking like this: [itex]c(λN)+λ(3Nk)[λ+ln\frac{λE}{λ(3Nh\nu)}][/itex]
There's one too many lambdas in there:
[itex]c(λN)+λ(3Nk)[1+ln\frac{λE}{λ(3Nh\nu)}][/itex]
 

FAQ: Is Entropy Extensive in an Ideal Solid?

What is the definition of extensivity?

Extensivity is the property of a substance or system where its size or mass is directly proportional to the amount of material present.

What is an ideal solid?

An ideal solid is a theoretical concept in which a substance has perfect extensivity, meaning its size or mass increases in a linear manner with the amount of material added.

How is the extensivity of an ideal solid determined?

The extensivity of an ideal solid is determined by measuring its size or mass and the amount of material present, and then calculating the ratio between the two. If the ratio is constant, the substance exhibits perfect extensivity.

What are some real-life examples of ideal solids?

Some real-life examples of ideal solids include gases at low pressures, liquids under certain conditions, and homogeneous mixtures.

Can a substance have imperfect extensivity?

Yes, most substances in real life do not exhibit perfect extensivity as they may change in size or mass in non-linear ways when more material is added. This is due to factors such as intermolecular interactions and external forces acting on the substance.

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