Is the functional derivative a function or a functional

In summary, the functional derivative is a mathematical concept that represents how a functional (a mapping from a space of functions to the real numbers) changes with respect to variations in a function. It is not a function itself, but rather a tool used to describe the sensitivity of functionals to changes in the functions they depend on. This concept is crucial in fields such as calculus of variations and theoretical physics, where one analyzes how functionals react to small perturbations of their arguments.
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I am confused whether the functional derivative ($\delta F[f]/\delta f$) is itself a functional or whether it is only a function

The Wikipedia article is not very rigorous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_derivative
but from the examples (like Thomas-Fermi density), it seems as if the derivative of a functional is a function, for example
$$\frac{\delta F[f]}{\delta f}= \int f^n(x) dx =n f^{n-1}(x)$$

However, I would expect it to be a functional in itself (in the same way that the derivative of a function is a function)
$$\frac{\delta F[f]}{\delta f}= \int f^n(x) dx =\int n f^{n-1}(x) dx$$
 
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A functional as I understand it is any function from a vector space into a field. Hence, every functional is always a function, but not vice versa.

What is a functional in your opinion?
What do you mean by functional derivative; ##y\longmapsto \dfrac{\partial F[y]}{\partial y(x)}## or ##F\longmapsto \dfrac{\partial F[y]}{\partial y(x)}## or simply the result ##\left. \dfrac{d}{d\varepsilon }\right|_{\varepsilon =0}F(y+\varepsilon \Phi)\;## in which case I'd ask what the variable is?
 
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I understand a functional to be a map from a space of functions to a number, as in my example above:
$$ F[f] = \int_a^b f^n(x) dx$$
A Functional gets a function as input and gives a number.

The functional derivative should (if I understand things correctly, which I probably don't) produce a new object from a functional (so the second of your options above) in the same way the derivative of a function produces a new object (the derivative function in 1D or the gradient function in a vector space).

My question is exactly that: What kind of object is the derivative of a functional, i.e., if I apply the "operator"
$$\partial/\partial f$$ to a functional $$F[f]$$, what is the result? A functional? An object that maps a function to a function (like a gradient maps a vector to a vector)?
 
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It depends. From the functional [itex]I[/itex] you create a new object, [itex]\delta I[/itex]. Evaluating this at [itex]y[/itex] gives you the linear functional
[tex]
\delta I[y] : h \mapsto \left.\frac{d}{d\epsilon} I[y + \epsilon h]\right|_{\epsilon = 0}.[/tex] Therefore [itex]\delta[/itex] is a linear operator which maps a functional to a function from the space of functions to the space of linear functionals.
 
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Thanks. But is this ##\delta I[h]## the same as ##\delta I[h]/\delta h##?
In analogy to functions, I would expect the first to be the equivalent of a total differential (in functional logic a variation) and the second to be equivalent to a derivative. I find the nomenclature quite confusing, to be honest.
 

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