Is the Universe's center of mass truly at rest?

In summary, the proposition states that an object can attain zero velocity at any given time by using its rest frame, but the idea of a universal unknown direction and universal direction is flawed as there are no absolute frames of reference in the universe. This is evident in the fact that telescopes pointing to the same object in the universe would not align with each other if transported, and there is no detectable anisotropy in the laws of physics.
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channeled intuition
Proposition: at any given time, zero velocity for an object is attained by unknown acceleration in a universal unknown direction. Gravitational effects on that trajectory must be canceled out. As a generalist, my physics are basic at best, but where is the error in this idea?
 
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channeled intuition said:
Proposition: at any given time, zero velocity for an object is attained by unknown acceleration in a universal unknown direction. Gravitational effects on that trajectory must be canceled out. As a generalist, my physics are basic at best, but where is the error in this idea?
Welcome to the PF.

What's a "universal unknown direction"? And what's a universal direction...?
 
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channeled intuition said:
at any given time, zero velocity for an object is attained by unknown acceleration in a universal unknown direction
At any given time, zero velocity for an object is attained by using its rest frame.
 
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universal direction=a direction pointing to the same location for every object in the universe.
 
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channeled intuition said:
universal direction=a direction pointing to the same location for every object in the universe.
No such thing. There are lots of threads here on the PF about reference frames (there are no absolute frames of reference). I'll see if we have a FAQ that covers this for you...
 
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Staff: Mentor No such thing. There are lots of threads here on the PF about reference frames (there are no absolute frames of reference).
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so every telescope, in a conjectured universe telescopes on every galaxy, couldn't all point to the same quasar?
 
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channeled intuition said:
so every telescope, in a conjectured universe telescopes on every galaxy, couldn't all point to the same quasar?
Sure, but they wouldn't be pointing in the same direction nor would there be anything "universal" about that. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say with your "proposition". It doesn't make a lot of sense but implies something known to be false (the existence of a universal rest frame).
 
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channeled intuition said:
so every telescope, in a conjectured universe telescopes on every galaxy, couldn't all point to the same quasar?
Suppose two distant telescopes are pointed at the same quasar. If you take a gyroscope, align it's axis with the quasar at one telescope, and transport the gyroscope to the other telescope, then you will find that it does not align with the quasar.

Furthermore, there is no detectable anisotropy in the laws of physics.
 
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Here is a Google search of the PF website about absolute frames of reference. Happy reading!
The last time I discussed absolute frames of reference was many years ago with a couple of fellow physics graduate students. We came up with the brilliant idea that the center of mass of the Universe must be at absolute rest. Proof: If it moved, where would it go? Needless to say we were under the influence. :smile:
 
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FAQ: Is the Universe's center of mass truly at rest?

What is zero velocity?

Zero velocity refers to the state of an object where its speed and direction are both zero. This means that the object is not moving at all.

How is zero velocity attained?

Zero velocity can be attained in several ways, such as by stopping the motion of an object that was previously moving, or by starting from rest and not moving at all.

Why is zero velocity important?

Zero velocity is important because it is a key concept in understanding motion and the laws of physics. It also plays a crucial role in many real-world applications, such as in transportation and engineering.

Can an object have zero velocity but still be accelerating?

Yes, an object can have zero velocity and still be accelerating. This is because acceleration is a change in velocity, so if an object's velocity is zero but changes over time, it is still considered to be accelerating.

How does zero velocity relate to an object's position?

Zero velocity is directly related to an object's position. When an object has zero velocity, it is not moving, and therefore its position remains constant. This can be seen in the position-time graph, where a horizontal line represents zero velocity.

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