Is there a limit to information storage on the surface of a black hole?

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The discussion centers on the limit of information storage on the surface of a black hole, referencing a NOVA special on cosmic fabric. The standard understanding is that information can be stored at a rate of one bit per Planck area, derived from the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy formula. It is clarified that the correct interpretation is actually four bits per Planck area, leading to a brief algebraic correction in the conversation. The participants engage in refining the mathematical expressions related to black hole entropy and information storage. Overall, the conversation highlights the relationship between black hole surface area and its information capacity.
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Hello,

I'll try to explain this as well as I can...

I was watching NOVA's special on The Fabric of the Cosmos and the segment on how information is both lost in the black hole and stored on the surface got me wondering "Is there a limit to how much information can be stored on the surface of a black hole?"

Any insight or feedback is appreciated.
 
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The standard answer is one bit per "Planck area". This estimate comes from the expression for black entropy which says S = A/G_N (S is the entropy, A is the area, and G is Newton's constant). In 4d Newton's constant is related to the Planck length by G_N = L_p^2. Hence the entropy is S = A/L_p^2. Since it is argued that a black hole is the most compact object possible, the maximal possible entropy should be that of a black hole, and hence the maximal amount of information that can be stored is roughly one bit per Planck area.

Does that help?
 
Oops, yes! Algebra.
 
Time reversal invariant Hamiltonians must satisfy ##[H,\Theta]=0## where ##\Theta## is time reversal operator. However, in some texts (for example see Many-body Quantum Theory in Condensed Matter Physics an introduction, HENRIK BRUUS and KARSTEN FLENSBERG, Corrected version: 14 January 2016, section 7.1.4) the time reversal invariant condition is introduced as ##H=H^*##. How these two conditions are identical?

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