In summary, you rearranged the equation for the force to incorrectly calculate the magnitude. This caused errors in the other equations.
  • #36
Usiia said:
Answer provided that I just found at the back of the book $$ \tan^3 \theta ( 1+ \tan^2 \theta ) = \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mgl^2} $$
I get $$ \tan \theta (\sin^2 \theta ) = \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mgl^2} $$which is the same as $$\frac{ \tan^3 \theta}{1+ \tan^2 \theta} = \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mgl^2} $$
 
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  • #37
PeroK said:
I get $$ \tan \theta (\sin^2 \theta ) = \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mgl^2} $$which is the same as $$\frac{ \tan^3 \theta}{1+ \tan^2 \theta} = \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mgl^2} $$
You are right, I missed the "/" it is the second.
 
  • #38
PeroK said:
I get $$ \tan \theta (\sin^2 \theta ) = \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mgl^2} $$which is the same as $$\frac{ \tan^3 \theta}{1+ \tan^2 \theta} = \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mgl^2} $$

I was able to reach your calculations. If you're feeling generous, give this a look?
  1. $$ F_c = \dfrac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 } \dfrac{2q^2}{r^2} $$
  2. $$ \tau_x = F_c $$ (stability)
  3. $$ \tan \theta = \dfrac{\tau_x }{mg} $$
  4. $$ r = 2 l \sin \theta $$
  5. $$ q = 2q_{1}^{2} $$ (charge is twice the other of equal mass)

Substituting 4 into 1 yields,

$$ F_c = \dfrac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 } \dfrac{2q^2}{(l \sin \theta)^2} $$
$$ F_c = \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 l^2 \sin^2 \theta}$$And Substituting 2 into 3 yields,

$$ \tan \theta = \dfrac{F_c}{mg} $$

Due to the stability condition. After simplification and arithmetic,

$$ \dfrac{\dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 l^2 \sin^2 \theta} }{mg} = \tan \theta $$

$$ \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mg l^2 \sin^2 \theta} = \tan \theta $$

$$ \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mg l^2} = \tan \theta \sin^2 \theta$$
 
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  • #39
Usiia said:
$$ r = l \sin \theta $$
This can't be right. ##r = 2l \sin \theta##.
Usiia said:
$$ F_c = \dfrac{2q^2}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 } \dfrac{2q^2}{(l \sin \theta)^2} $$
You have an extra factor of ##2q^2## there. The next line is correct, but doesn't follow from that:
Usiia said:
$$ F_c = \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 l^2 \sin^2 \theta}$$
You got the right answer in the end, but there are still some mistakes.
 
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  • #40
I edited it, equations needed pruning and it missed my eye. Number 4 needed to be as you mentioned.
 
  • #41
Usiia said:
I edited it, equations needed pruning and it missed my eye. Number 4 needed to be as you mentioned.
Okay, but it's still wrong in some of your equations:

Usiia said:
$$ F_c = \dfrac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 } \dfrac{2q^2}{(l \sin \theta)^2} $$
 
  • #42
@PeroK Thank you so much for your continued help. I haven't done this in many many years and it's slowly coming back :)
 
  • #43
You are correct, I will try to take this into a latex editor and look it over. It's very difficult making sure it's right on the forum just using preview.

I am trying to copy this from my paper, but not uploading any more scratch work by hand.
 
  • #44
I believe this should be correct completely with the substitutions.
  1. $$ F_c = \dfrac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 } \dfrac{2q^2}{r^2} $$
  2. $$ \tau_x = F_c $$ (stability)
  3. $$ \tan \theta = \dfrac{\tau_x }{mg} $$
  4. $$ r = 2 l \sin \theta $$
  5. $$ q_1q_2 = 2q_{1}^{2} $$ (charge is twice the other of equal mass)

Substituting 4 into 1 yields,

$$ F_c = \dfrac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 } \dfrac{2q^2}{(2 l \sin \theta)^2} $$
$$ F_c = \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 l^2 \sin^2 \theta}$$And Substituting 2 into 3 yields,

$$ \tan \theta = \dfrac{F_c}{mg} $$

Due to the stability condition. After simplification and arithmetic,

$$ \dfrac{\dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 l^2 \sin^2 \theta} }{mg} = \tan \theta $$

$$ \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mg l^2 \sin^2 \theta} = \tan \theta $$

$$ \dfrac{q^2}{8 \pi \epsilon_0 mg l^2} = \tan \theta \sin^2 \theta$$
 
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