Is this the right way to go about proving this?

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In summary, the conversation is about using the definition of limit to show that the limit of a function f(x,y) as x and y approach certain values is equal to a specific value. The function is split into two parts, H(x,y) and G(x,y), and their limits are added to equal the limit of f. The error in the proof is possibly using the incorrect definition of distance between points.
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I'm supposed to use the definition of limit to show that [tex]\lim_{\substack{x\rightarrow 3\\y\rightarrow -1}} f(x,y) = 5[/tex]

where [tex]f(x,y) = x - 2y[/tex]

I split the function into two: [tex]H(x,y) = x[/tex] and [tex]G(x,y) = -2y[/tex]
It can be shown that H + G = f and that the addition of their limits equals the limit of f

So I let [tex]\epsilon > 0[/tex] and set [tex]\delta = \epsilon/2[/tex], so that whenever [tex]\sqrt{(x-3)^2+(y+1)^2} < \delta[/tex] then [tex]|H(x,y) - 3|= |x - 3| < \epsilon/2[/tex] and [tex]|G(x,y) - 2|= |-2y - 2|= 2 |y + 1| < \epsilon/2[/tex]
[tex]|H(x,y) + G(x,y) - (3 + 2)| = |H(x,y) -3 + G(x,y) -2| = |(x-3) + 2(y+1)| <= |x-3| + |2 (y+1)| < 2 \sqrt{(x-3)^2+(y+1)^2} = 2 \delta = \epsilon [/tex]

So, what all is wrong?
 
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i think that your mistake is when you write [tex]\sqrt{[(x-3)^2+(y+1)^2]}<\delta[/tex]
i think it should be [tex]|x-3|<\delta_1[/tex]
and [tex]|y+1|<\delta_2[/tex]
 
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Why is that?
If my proof is wrong, can anybody explain how to make it right, please. I've never had to prove anything calc related before =/
 
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Well, that depends on exactly what your definition of limit (in R2) is!

The standard definition uses [itex]\sqrt{(x_1-x_0)^2+ (y_1-y_0)^2}[/itex] to measure the distance between points so [itex]\sqrt{(x-3)^2+ (y+1)^2}< \delta[/itex] would be correct. It is possible to define "distance between points" by max([itex]|x_1-x_0|, |y_1-y_0|[/itex]) so that loop quantum gravity's suggestion is possible but that is not the standard definition.
 
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Thanks for the replies. =)

So is my proof correct?
And if I used his way, woudl I have to Set [tex]\delta = min(\delta_1, \delta_2) = \epsilon/2[/tex]?
 
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SOrry, I don't want to seem pushy, but I just want to know two things:
1) Am I correct?
2) Why or why not?
 
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Oh crap, I forgot to write [tex]\delta = \epsilon/2[/tex]
 

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