Is ∂x/∂f = 1/(∂f/∂x) a Valid Equation in Implicit Differentiation?

In summary, the conversation discusses the difficulty in inverting a complicated function f of the variables x and y and the desire to find the derivative of x and y with respect to f. The question is raised if the equation ∂x/∂f = 1/(∂f/∂x) can be used, with the observation that physicists often use this "shortcut". The expert summarizes that this equation is always true, as long as y is being held constant, and provides an example to illustrate this concept.
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I have some complicated function f of the variables x,y:

f(x,y)

Now I can't really invert this expression for f for x and y, but I want the derivative of x and y wrt f. How can I do that? Am I allowed to say:

∂x/∂f = 1/(∂f/∂x)

I have seen physicists "cheat" by using this relation, though I am not sure that it is always true. In general when can I do the above?
 
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I take it f is a number, not a vector ? That is difficult to invert (making two variables out of one function value?), so it will also be difficult to get those derivatives!

When I don't understand things, I try an example. Here I try ##f = x^2+y^2## and the best I can do is write
$$df = \left(\partial f\over \partial x \right)_y dx + \left(\partial f\over \partial y \right)_x dy$$ Physicists 'cheat' as much as they can get away with -- just like everybody else. There steno jargon does get misquoted frequently, though. Can you give an example ? Maybe we can work out what they meant, but wrote down in a sloppy shortcut sort of way...
 
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I have some complicated function f of the variables x,y:

f(x,y)

Now I can't really invert this expression for f for x and y, but I want the derivative of x and y wrt f. How can I do that? Am I allowed to say:

∂x/∂f = 1/(∂f/∂x)

I have seen physicists "cheat" by using this relation, though I am not sure that it is always true. In general when can I do the above?
Always. The partials in the equation imply that y is being held constant. In that case, f is just a function of the single variable x, and x is just a function of the single variable f.

Chet
 
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FAQ: Is ∂x/∂f = 1/(∂f/∂x) a Valid Equation in Implicit Differentiation?

What does it mean to take a derivative implicitly?

Taking a derivative implicitly refers to finding the rate of change of a function with respect to a variable, without explicitly solving for the variable in the function. This is often used when the function is too complex to solve for the variable explicitly.

How is taking a derivative implicitly different from taking a derivative explicitly?

When taking a derivative explicitly, you solve for the variable in the function and then find the rate of change. In implicit differentiation, the variable remains in the function and is differentiated with the chain rule.

What is the chain rule and how is it used in implicit differentiation?

The chain rule is a rule in calculus that allows us to find the derivative of a composite function. In implicit differentiation, the chain rule is used to differentiate the function with respect to the variable that is not explicitly stated in the function.

What are some real-world applications of implicit differentiation?

Implicit differentiation is commonly used in physics and engineering to solve problems involving rates of change, such as velocity and acceleration. It is also used in economics to analyze the relationship between different variables in a system.

Are there any limitations to using implicit differentiation?

Implicit differentiation can only be used when the function is differentiable, meaning it has a well-defined derivative at every point. It also requires some algebraic manipulation and may not always result in a simple solution. In some cases, it may be more efficient to use explicit differentiation.

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