John McCain Denies Maverick Label to Secure Re-election

[Ivan Seeking]

Can't forget these

... The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

- Sarah Palin
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/palin-obamas-death-panel_n_254399.html

...“In the House bill, there is counseling for end of life,” Grassley said. “You have every right to fear. You shouldn’t have counseling at the end of life, you should have done that 20 years before. Should not have a government run plan to decide when to pull the plug on grandma”

- Senator Grassley [R]
http://iowaindependent.com/18456/grassley-government-shouldnt-decide-when-to-pull-the-plug-on-grandma

The counseling - mainly a review of options for the terminally ill - to which Senator Grassley objects was already being provided, I think through Medicare, according to an adder that was originally sponsored by a Republican.

 

[CRGreathouse]

China and Vietnam, despite their communist governments, are doing all they can to encourage laissez faire free market economies which are booming while Venezuela is doing the opposite, nationalizing everything in sight, though it is at least barely democratic. N. Korea, the former SU, and one or two other Stalinist regimes are in a class by themselves.

Good analysis. (I'm not sure I'm with you 100% of Vietnam, though.)

 

[Ivan Seeking]

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

- Sarah Palin

Yet

Washington (CNN) – Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, considered to be a leading candidate for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, said Friday that he thinks potential GOP rival Sarah Palin is qualified to serve as president of the United States.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...s-qualified-to-be-president/?fbid=WiI3RyGGSjS

The GOP has not only gone over a cliff ideologically, they have no credibility. They are trying to align themselves with the tea party cult, but the tea partiers tend to be anti-incumbent regardless of party affiliations. More likely the tea partiers will split the vote on the right in national elections.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

A non-partisan Research 2000 survey of 2,000 Republicans has found that a majority believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Barack Obama and that nearly two in three believe Mr. Obama is a socialist.

...Thirty-one percent say "Barack Obama is a racist who hates White people," and another one in three aren't sure.

As for Palin, 53 percent say she is more qualified for the presidency than Mr. Obama, while 14 percent say she is not. One in three aren't sure...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6167520-503544.html

Obama Resume
http://cdn.theladders.net/static/pdf/Senator_Obama_Resume.pdf

Palin Resume
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700254763,00.html

 

[Char. Limit]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6167520-503544.html

Obama resume
http://cdn.theladders.net/static/pdf/Senator_Obama_Resume.pdf

Palin Resume
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700254763,00.html

I don't get the idea of saying "a non-partisan Research 2000 survey of 2,000 Republicans". Isn't a survey of one party by its very nature partisan?

 

[Office_Shredder]

I don't get the idea of saying "a non-partisan Research 2000 survey of 2,000 Republicans". Isn't a survey of one party by its very nature partisan?

Partisanship refers to the person giving the survey

 

[Char. Limit]

Partisanship refers to the person giving the survey

Yah, that makes sense...

Fact is, even if I were a conservative (and I'm not, I'm a centrist), I wouldn't vote for a Republican now. They just keep worsening their image. First there was FOX News, then Bondagegate, and now their leading politician becomes the biggest hypocrite of all time?

Yeah... no!

At least the Democrats, for all of their policy that some may disagree with, at least they haven't been downright embarassing.

 

[Gokul43201]

I would have stipulated that there was/is plenty of over the top criticism of the President, especially on things like guns.

The point of the above was not to point out over the top criticism at all. It was to demonstrate the kind of expectations that the right wing punditry held for an Obama Presidency: 70% taxes, and in some cases a 100% tax bracket, surrender to the terrorists, setting up a government dependency system that would collapse the economy/markets, smash the Pentagon piggy bank, mass unionizations, confiscation of guns, etc.

Given the expectations, it is odd that the same people now seem to claim Obama is farther to the left than they'd expected.

Perhaps it was pedantic of me, but I was taking issue with some of your earlier specific claims such as a precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan - I'd never heard that and I wouldn't expect it, since as far as I know Obama always supported the war in Afghanistan during the campaign.

I thought I recalled hearing something along those lines too, perhaps early enough in the primaries that Obama's Afghanistan policy hadn't yet taken shape (definitely lots of assertions about Obama appeasing/loving/surrendering to terrorists). But having not provided any support for that specific claim, I withdraw it.

On issues like guns Obama supplied the ammunition for conspiracy theories with his closed door speech at the San Francisco billionaire's home and the http://www.cnbcfix.com/obama-cling-guns-religion.html" remarks.

Whatever the reasons may be, the reality is that Obama is governing far to the right of most of these year-old expectations.

Well it is difficult to find a good example of a hard left wing country among those. China and Vietnam, despite their communist governments, are doing all they can to encourage laissez faire free market economies which are booming while Venezuela is doing the opposite, nationalizing everything in sight, though it is at least barely democratic. N. Korea, the former SU, and one or two other Stalinist regimes are in a class by themselves.

When I talk of "left-wing", I do not restrict myself to left-wing economic policy. In the case of USSR, China or Vietnam, I'm talking mostly about government control and restriction of individual freedoms - along exactly the lines that right wing talking heads expect from Obama.

In any case, I still haven't been able to get you to define the basis set with respect to which Obama is an extreme left wing President. Have his policies so far been far to the left of the Democratic Party's center of mass? Or have they been far to the left of some reference set of previous Democratic Presidents?

 

[mheslep]

Briefly:

Have his policies so far been far to the left of the Democratic Party's center of mass?

No, i.e. I assert the D party has moved to the left as well.

Or have they been far to the left of some reference set of previous Democratic Presidents?

Yes, notably Kennedy and Clinton.

 

[mheslep]

On issues like guns Obama supplied the ammunition for conspiracy theories with his closed door speech at the San Francisco billionaire's home and the "they get bitter, they cling to their guns or religion" remarks

Whatever the reasons may be, the reality is that Obama is governing far to the right of most of these year-old expectations.

Well Obama never said he would take anyone's guns, in fact he said the opposite. It was the condescension to Americans not in his camp in the above remark that irritated me, and I contend that condescension is not uncommon in the Obama administration - the numerous http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19083.html" by Gibbs, not on the opposing party, but on individuals, businesses, etc.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

...Two thirds of Tea Partiers said they had a favorable opinion of Palin, according to the poll, conducted April 5 - 12, while 59 percent have a favorable opinion of [Glenn] Beck...[emphasis mine]

...Asked to volunteer their most admired political figure generally, no single person stands out among Tea Party supporters. As many as 29 percent offered no one or said they aren't sure. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich leads the list of those mentioned, with 10 percent, followed by Sarah Palin with 9 percent, and former President George W. Bush and Mitt Romney at 5 percent.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002534-503544.html

The options of "none" or "other" claimed a combined 49%

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I thought this was an interesting bit of doubletalk from Rep Marsha Blackburn [R], Tennessee.

REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN: Thereason the Republican Party is on the right side of this economic debate is simply this. The election is going to be about freedom, and the American People know that being dependent on the federal government for home loans, for your health care, for your education, for your jobs, even for the kind of light bulb that you want to put in the fixture, is not the aspirations of a free people. And because of that, we are on the right side of this argument. Everything that we're doing--

DAVID GREGORY: What did-- hold on, Congresswoman.

REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN: --discussing here effects--

DAVID GREGORY: What did freedom get the American People during-- that led to the financial collapse? Is that not a fair question about the limits of-- of the free, capitalist system?

REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN: We know-- we know that if you let free markets work, there is no expiration date on the free market. There is no expiration date on the American economy. What the American People do not like is the overreach of government--

DAVID GREGORY: I'm sorry, Congresswoman, my question was what did the free-- what did the free market get us-- what did freedom get us in the economic collapse? You had an absence of government regulation, and you had the free market running wild. Look what the result was.

REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN: And you need-- and you need more oversight. We all agree with that. And the financial bill that Senator Corker and them are working on would lead to more oversight. The Goldman charges that have come forward now, David, they have come forward under existing SEC rules. More oversight, which I have always been a proponent of--...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36595396/ns/meet_the_press/page/5/

So her point is that we need less government, but more government.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Oh yes, and this tidbit from Rep Michelle Bachmann [R], Michigan.

We're on to them. We're on to this gangster government.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416/ap_on_go_ot/us_tea_party_rally

It's not that there are legitimate disagreements about how to manage complex problems that have festered for decades, the problem is that it's a gangster government? That is just looney.