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I need help with the following situation---
I need to justify the independence of all four axioms using computation and/or narrative. This is what I have so far, but would appreciate any ideas and help you may have to offer.
Axiom 1: Each game is played by two distinct teams.
Axiom 2: There are at least four teams.
Axiom 3: There are at least six games that are played.
Axiom 4: Each distinct team plays each of the other teams only once.
Undefined terms: game, team, playedIf Axiom 1 did not exist, we would not know what constitutes a game. A game could be Team A. Or a game could be Team A vs. Team B vs. Team C. Axioms 2, 3, and 4 could all still be true. Therefore, Axiom 1 is independent.
If Axiom 2 did not exist, we could start with 5 teams. Again it would be possible for Axioms 1, 3, and 4 to all be true. Therefore, Axiom 2 is independent.
If Axiom 3 did not exist, it would be possible for Axioms 1, 2, and 4 to be true. Therefore, Axiom 3 is independent.
If Axiom 4 did not exist, we could start with 4 Teams, have them play each other twice, and therefore have 12 games overall. Axioms 1, 2, and 3 are still all true. Therefore, Axiom 4 is independent.This is the feedback I have received--
The spirit of the strategy, that of considering a model in which one axiom "did not exist" (more properly stated as "is false") while others are true, is a correct way to establish independence for the false axiom. Ax 1: The alternate descriptions of possible games constitute a correct way to begin the model. Additional details are needed to concretely show in what scenario "Axioms 2, 3, and 4 could all still be true." Ax 2: This model begins with five teams. This does not make Ax 2, "at least four teams," false. The model does not establish independence for Ax 2. Ax 3: No details describe how to confirm that Ax 3 is indeed false while Ax 1, 2, and 4 are all true. Please describe the concrete details in this model. Ax 4: A model in which "we... start with 4 teams" confirms the truth of Ax 2; then "have them play each other twice" confirms that Ax 4 is false; and finally "have 12 games overall" confirms that Ax 3 is true. Additional details are needed to confirm why Ax 1 is true or false
I need to justify the independence of all four axioms using computation and/or narrative. This is what I have so far, but would appreciate any ideas and help you may have to offer.
Axiom 1: Each game is played by two distinct teams.
Axiom 2: There are at least four teams.
Axiom 3: There are at least six games that are played.
Axiom 4: Each distinct team plays each of the other teams only once.
Undefined terms: game, team, playedIf Axiom 1 did not exist, we would not know what constitutes a game. A game could be Team A. Or a game could be Team A vs. Team B vs. Team C. Axioms 2, 3, and 4 could all still be true. Therefore, Axiom 1 is independent.
If Axiom 2 did not exist, we could start with 5 teams. Again it would be possible for Axioms 1, 3, and 4 to all be true. Therefore, Axiom 2 is independent.
If Axiom 3 did not exist, it would be possible for Axioms 1, 2, and 4 to be true. Therefore, Axiom 3 is independent.
If Axiom 4 did not exist, we could start with 4 Teams, have them play each other twice, and therefore have 12 games overall. Axioms 1, 2, and 3 are still all true. Therefore, Axiom 4 is independent.This is the feedback I have received--
The spirit of the strategy, that of considering a model in which one axiom "did not exist" (more properly stated as "is false") while others are true, is a correct way to establish independence for the false axiom. Ax 1: The alternate descriptions of possible games constitute a correct way to begin the model. Additional details are needed to concretely show in what scenario "Axioms 2, 3, and 4 could all still be true." Ax 2: This model begins with five teams. This does not make Ax 2, "at least four teams," false. The model does not establish independence for Ax 2. Ax 3: No details describe how to confirm that Ax 3 is indeed false while Ax 1, 2, and 4 are all true. Please describe the concrete details in this model. Ax 4: A model in which "we... start with 4 teams" confirms the truth of Ax 2; then "have them play each other twice" confirms that Ax 4 is false; and finally "have 12 games overall" confirms that Ax 3 is true. Additional details are needed to confirm why Ax 1 is true or false