Kamal's Questions via email about Implicit Differentiation

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between two variables and their derivatives, specifically using the Chain Rule to differentiate functions of one variable with respect to another. The conversation also shows how to use the Chain Rule to differentiate a function that includes both variables.
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Since we have this relationship between x and y, as the two sides are equal, so are their derivatives. We just have to remember that as y is a function of x, any function of y is also a function of x, with the inner function "y" composed inside whatever is being told to do to the y. So to differentiate these parts the Chain Rule would be needed. All other rules like the product and quotient rules will still apply as well. Anyway, differentiating both sides with respect to x gives

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}x}\,\left( x\,y + x^2 \right) &= \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}x}\,\left( y^2 \right) \\ x\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} + 1\,y + 2\,x &= \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}y}\,\left( y^2 \right) \\ x\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} + y + 2\,x &= \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\,\left( 2\,y \right) \\ y + 2\,x &= 2\,y\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} - x\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \\ y + 2\,x &= \left( 2\,y - x \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \\ \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} &= \frac{y + 2\,x}{2\,y - x} \end{align*}$

This will be important for later. Going back a step and differentiating both sides with respect to x again we have

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}x} \,\left( y + 2\,x \right) &= \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}x}\,\left[ \left( 2\,y - x \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \right] \\ \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} + 2 &= \left( 2\,y - x \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2\,y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} + \left( 2\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} - 1 \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \\ \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} + 2 &= \left( 2\,y - x \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2\,y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} + 2\,\left( \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \right) ^2 - \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \\ \left( 2\,y - x \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2\,y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} &= 2 + 2\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} - 2\,\left( \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\right) ^2 \\ \left( 2\,y - x \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2\,y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} &= 2\,\left[ 1 + \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} - \left( \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \right) ^2 \right] \end{align*}$

and since we already found that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} = \frac{y + 2\,x}{2\,y - x } \end{align*}$ that means

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left( 2\,y - x \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2\,y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} &= 2 \, \left[ 1 + \frac{y + 2\,x}{2\,y - x} - \left( \frac{y + 2\,x}{2\,y - x } \right) ^2 \right] \\ \left( 2\,y - x \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2\,y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} &= 2\,\left[ \frac{\left( 2\,y - x \right) ^2 + \left( 2\,y - x \right) \left( y + 2\,x \right) - \left( y + 2\,x \right) ^2}{\left( 2\,y - x \right) ^2 } \right] \\ \left( 2\,y - x \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2\,y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} &= 2\,\left[ \frac{4\,y^2 - 4\,x\,y + x^2 + 2\,y^2 + 4\,x\,y - x\,y - 2\,x^2 - y^2 - 4\,x\,y - 4\,x^2}{\left( 2\,y - x \right) ^2} \right] \\ \left( 2\,y - x \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2\,y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} &= 2\,\left[ \frac{5\,y^2 - 5\,x\,y - 5\,x^2 }{\left( 2\,y - x \right) ^2} \right] \\ \frac{\mathrm{d}^2\,y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} &= \frac{10\,\left( y^2 - x\,y - x^2 \right) }{\left( 2\,y - x \right) ^3} \end{align*}$View attachment 5526

Here x is a function of t, so again, to differentiate any x terms, we must use the Chain Rule.

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t} \,\left( x^3 + x\,t^{-1} \right) &= \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t} \,\left[ t^2 \left( 1 + x^2 \right) \right] \\ \frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t} \, \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}x} \, \left( x^3 \right) + \frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t} \, t^{-1} - x \, t^{-2} &= 2 \, t \, \left( 1 + x^2 \right) + t^2 \, \frac{ \mathrm{d}x }{ \mathrm{d}t } \, \frac{ \mathrm{d} }{\mathrm{d}x} \, \left( 1 + x^2 \right) \\ \frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t}\,\left( 3\,x^2 \right) + \frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t}\,t^{-1} - x \,t^{-2} &= 2\,t\,\left( 1 + x^2 \right) + t^2\,\frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t} \,\left( 2\,x \right) \\ 3\,x^2\,\frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t} + t^{-1}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t} - 2\,x\,t^2 \,\frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t} &= 2\,t + 2\,x^2\,t + x\,t^{-2} \\ t^2\,\left( 3\,x^2 + t^{-1} - 2\,x\,t^2 \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t} &= t^2\,\left( 2\,t + 2\,x^2\,t + x\,t^{-2} \right) \\ \left( 3\,x^2\,t^2 + t - 2\,x\,t^4 \right) \,\frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t} &= 2\,t^3 + 2\,x^2\,t^3 + x \\ \frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t} &= \frac{2\,t^3 + 2\,x^2\,t^3 + x}{3\,x^2\,t^2 + t - 2\,x\,t^4} \end{align*}$
 

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The first problem appears to be solved correctly.
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For the second problem, was copied it incorrectly.
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FAQ: Kamal's Questions via email about Implicit Differentiation

What is implicit differentiation?

Implicit differentiation is a method used in calculus to find the derivative of an implicit equation, where the dependent variable is not explicitly defined in terms of the independent variable. It is often used when it is difficult or impossible to solve for the dependent variable explicitly.

Why is implicit differentiation important?

Implicit differentiation is important because it allows us to find the derivative of equations that cannot be solved for explicitly. This is particularly useful in real-world applications where equations may be complex and not easily solvable.

How is implicit differentiation different from explicit differentiation?

Explicit differentiation is used to find the derivative of an equation where the dependent variable is explicitly defined in terms of the independent variable. Implicit differentiation, on the other hand, is used when the dependent variable is not explicitly defined in terms of the independent variable.

What are the steps for solving implicit differentiation problems?

The steps for solving implicit differentiation problems are as follows:

  • Take the derivative of both sides of the equation with respect to the independent variable
  • Use the chain rule when necessary
  • Solve for the derivative of the dependent variable

What are some common mistakes to avoid when using implicit differentiation?

Some common mistakes to avoid when using implicit differentiation include:

  • Forgetting to use the chain rule when necessary
  • Simplifying too much before taking the derivative
  • Not accounting for all terms in the equation when solving for the derivative

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