Kirchhoff's Rules: Circuit Question

In summary, the problem involves three resistors with values 3Ω, 6Ω, and 9Ω in a circuit with two batteries of 6.0v and 12.0v. The task is to find the three currents in the circuit. The equations used are +6-3I1-9I2=0 and +12-6+6I2-9I1=0. However, there are inconsistencies with the subscripts and signs in the equations and the figure. The solution provided has been shown to not be entirely accurate.
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Homework Statement


If R1 is 3Ω, R2 is 6Ω and R3 is 9Ω, what are the three currents in figure 16-4, in which the batteries are 6.0v and 12.0v?


Homework Equations


I1+I2+I3


The Attempt at a Solution



I've got three equations so far

I worked out

+6-3I1-9I2=0

and

+12-6+6I2-9I=0

For the next step I have to find I1 in terms of I2 but I'm not sure how I do that

http://puu.sh/7ZXv9.png
 
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navm1 said:

Homework Statement


If R1 is 3Ω, R2 is 6Ω and R3 is 9Ω, what are the three currents in figure 16-4, in which the batteries are 6.0v and 12.0v?

Homework Equations


I1+I2+I3

The Attempt at a Solution



I've got three equations so far

I worked out

+6-3I1-9I2=0

and

+12-6+6I2-9I=0

For the next step I have to find I1 in terms of I2 but I'm not sure how I do that

http://puu.sh/7ZXv9.png

Your subscripts are inconsistent with you equations and/or the figure.

Also, I1+I2+I3 is not an equation. Perhaps you meant I1+I2=I3
 
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SammyS said:
Your subscripts are inconsistent with you equations and/or the figure.

Also, I1+I2+I3 is not an equation. Perhaps you meant I1+I2=I3

youre right i meant to put I1+I2+I3=0 and

+12-6+6I2-9I1=0
 
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navm1 said:
youre right i meant to put I1+I2+I3=0 and

+12-6+6I2-9I1=0

12 - 6 + 6I2 - 9I1 = 0 is correct.

For I1+I2+I3=0 to be correct, you should draw I3 in the opposite direction.

You need to correct the other loop equation.
 
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SammyS said:
12 - 6 + 6I2 - 9I1 = 0 is correct.

For I1+I2+I3=0 to be correct, you should draw I3 in the opposite direction.

You need to correct the other loop equation.

+6-3I1-9I2=0

is wrong?

I think i was getting mixed up over some wording in my workbook. I've got

2-3I2=I1 now and i'll substitute in the third equation
 
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navm1 said:
+6-3I1-9I2=0

is wrong?
It looks wrong. Where did it spring from?

I think i was getting mixed up over some wording in my workbook. I've got

2-3I2=I1 now and i'll substitute in the third equation
Where did that spring from? If you'd explain the laws you applied to arrive at these, it would make the process of checking your steps easier, ditto for finding mistakes.

Perhaps you have some currents and/or resistors labelled differently to how you think you have?
 
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NascentOxygen said:
It looks wrong. Where did it spring from?


Where did that spring from? If you'd explain the laws you applied to arrive at these, it would make the process of checking your steps easier, ditto for finding mistakes.

Perhaps you have some currents and/or resistors labelled differently to how you think you have?

the question was "If R1 is 3Ω, R2 is 6Ω and R3 is 9Ω, what are the three currents in figure 16-4, in which the batteries are 6.0v and 12.0v?"

and here's the solution, might make it more clear to you what I am missing

http://puu.sh/80On3.jpg

http://puu.sh/80Oo1.jpg
 
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The problem we're having is that the signs and indices in your currents and/or resistors in the equations don't seem to match what we see in the picture. Your first job is to fix that. Than we can talk about how to solve the equations.
 
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FAQ: Kirchhoff's Rules: Circuit Question

What are Kirchhoff's Rules?

Kirchhoff's Rules, also known as Kirchhoff's Laws, are fundamental principles used to analyze electrical circuits. They are named after German physicist Gustav Kirchhoff and are based on the conservation of energy and charge.

What is Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL)?

Kirchhoff's Current Law states that the algebraic sum of currents flowing into a node (or junction) in a circuit must equal the algebraic sum of currents flowing out of that node. This law is based on the principle of conservation of charge.

What is Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL)?

Kirchhoff's Voltage Law states that the algebraic sum of voltages around a closed loop in a circuit must equal zero. This law is based on the principle of conservation of energy.

How do you apply Kirchhoff's Rules to solve circuit problems?

To apply Kirchhoff's Rules, you first need to draw a circuit diagram and label all the components and their values. Then, you can use KCL and KVL to write equations for each node and loop in the circuit. Finally, you can solve the equations to find the unknown values in the circuit.

What are some limitations of Kirchhoff's Rules?

Kirchhoff's Rules are based on idealized assumptions, such as ideal resistors and perfect connections, which may not accurately represent real-world circuits. Additionally, the rules only apply to circuits in steady-state conditions and do not take into account factors such as capacitance and inductance.

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