Kretschmann Scalar: Flat Spacetime & Singularities

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In summary, the Kretschmann scalar is often used to identify singularities in black holes. However, as r->infinity, K->0, and there are pp-waves with curvature singularities and K=0. This was pointed out by Penrose and can be found in "Exact Solutions of Einstein's Field Equations" by Stephani, Kramer, MacCallum, and Hoenselaers.
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The Kretschmann scalar (the full contraction of the Reimann tensor K = R_abcd R^abcd) is often used to identify singularities - i.e. for a Schwarzschild black hole, K \propto 1/r^6, so we have a singularity at r=0, but not at the Schwarzschild horizon).

Clearly, as r->\infinity, K->0. Is K=0 a measure of flat spacetime in general? Is there a reference that shows this?

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Cusp said:
The Kretschmann scalar (the full contraction of the Reimann tensor K = R_abcd R^abcd) is often used to identify singularities - i.e. for a Schwarzschild black hole, K \propto 1/r^6, so we have a singularity at r=0, but not at the Schwarzschild horizon).

Clearly, as r->\infinity, K->0. Is K=0 a measure of flat spacetime in general? Is there a reference that shows this?

Cheers

The person best able to answer this has stopped posting, but, from previous posts of his, the answer is "No." There are pp-waves that have curvature singularities, and that have K = 0. I suspect that this somewhere in Exact Solutions of Einstein's Field Equations by Hans Stephani, Dietrich Kramer, Malcolm MacCallum, and Cornelius Hoenselaers.

See 4. in
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1351759#post1351759

1. in
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1124707#post1124707

and the last paragraph of (the first post)
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1176876#post1176876
 
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According to Hawking and Ellis, page 260, it was pointed out by Penrose that curvature can be non-zero even when stuff like K is zero.
 
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Thanks George - will check it out.
 

FAQ: Kretschmann Scalar: Flat Spacetime & Singularities

What is the Kretschmann Scalar?

The Kretschmann Scalar is a mathematical quantity used in general relativity to measure the strength of the gravitational field at a given point in spacetime. It is also known as the curvature invariant or the Kretschmann invariant.

What is flat spacetime?

Flat spacetime is a concept in general relativity that describes a region of space without any gravitational effects. In this type of spacetime, objects move in straight lines at a constant speed, similar to the laws of motion in classical mechanics.

What are singularities in relation to the Kretschmann Scalar?

Singularities are points in spacetime where the Kretschmann Scalar (and other curvature invariants) becomes infinite. This usually occurs at the center of black holes or during the Big Bang, and it signifies a breakdown of the laws of physics.

How is the Kretschmann Scalar calculated?

The Kretschmann Scalar is calculated using the Riemann curvature tensor, which describes how spacetime is curved due to the presence of mass and energy. It involves taking the square of the Riemann tensor and summing up its components at a specific point in spacetime.

What is the significance of the Kretschmann Scalar in physics?

The Kretschmann Scalar is an important tool for understanding the behavior of gravity in extreme conditions, such as near black holes or during the early universe. It also plays a crucial role in the development of theories of quantum gravity, which aim to reconcile general relativity with quantum mechanics.

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