Laminar, transition, turbulent flow question

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of a laminar region before a turbulent region in fluid flow over a plate. The transition from laminar to turbulent flow is determined by the Reynolds number, which is calculated using the velocity and length of the flow. The critical Reynolds number determines the length at which the transition occurs. It is recommended to avoid using velocities approaching the speed of light in these calculations. The concern mentioned is related to a table in a textbook on heat and mass transfer.
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pyroknife
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If we're considering fluid flow over a plate and found that at one location the flow is turbulent. Is it always the case that there is also a transition and laminar region before that turbulent region on the plate?
 
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That is going to depend on the flow velocity or however you are calculating Reynold's number for the plate.
 
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SteamKing said:
That is going to depend on the flow velocity or however you are calculating Reynold's number for the plate.

Even if the flow velocity is gigantic, wouldn't there always be a laminar region, even if it is infinitesimally small?


Like for example let's say Velocity=speed of light.
Re=velocity*length/(kinematic viscosity)
Depending on what you classify the critical reynold's # as, you can always solve for a critical length (even if it's miniscule) and anything before that critical length is laminar flow.
 
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pyroknife said:
Even if the flow velocity is gigantic, wouldn't there always be a laminar region, even if it is infinitesimally small?


Like for example let's say Velocity=speed of light.
Re=velocity*length/(kinematic viscosity)
Depending on what you classify the critical reynold's # as, you can always solve for a critical length (even if it's miniscule) and anything before that critical length is laminar flow.

If the reynolds number is defined in terms of distance along the plate, then there will always be a critical length at which the transition occurs. You are working in terms of dimensionless parameters, which is a good thing to do. Incidentally, please stay away from velocities approaching the speed of light until you have had some experience with special relativity. Your results will certainly always apply at values of the dimensionless group v/c much less than unity, which includes all the situations you are likely to ever run into in practice.
 
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Chestermiller said:
If the reynolds number is defined in terms of distance along the plate, then there will always be a critical length at which the transition occurs. You are working in terms of dimensionless parameters, which is a good thing to do. Incidentally, please stay away from velocities approaching the speed of light until you have had some experience with special relativity. Your results will certainly always apply at values of the dimensionless group v/c much less than unity, which includes all the situations you are likely to ever run into in practice.
Thanks.

I was just using the speed of light as an exaggerated example.

I'm not sure if anyone's ever used Incropera's "Fundamentals of Heat and Mass Transfer Textbook." But this question was mainly due to the table at the end of chapter 7 in that book. If anyone's used it, I can explain further what caused my concern from that chapter,.
 

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1. What is laminar flow?

Laminar flow is a type of fluid flow in which the particles of the fluid move in smooth, parallel layers with little to no mixing between them. It is characterized by low turbulence and is often described as a "streamlined" flow.

2. How is transition flow different from laminar and turbulent flow?

Transition flow is an intermediate type of flow that occurs between laminar and turbulent flow. It is characterized by a mix of smooth and chaotic movement of particles, and is often unstable and difficult to predict.

3. What factors influence the transition from laminar to turbulent flow?

The transition from laminar to turbulent flow is influenced by factors such as the velocity of the fluid, the viscosity of the fluid, and the surface roughness of the boundary through which the fluid is flowing. Other factors such as temperature, pressure, and flow rate can also play a role.

4. How is turbulent flow different from laminar flow?

Turbulent flow is a type of fluid flow in which the particles of the fluid move in an irregular, chaotic manner with high levels of mixing. It is characterized by fluctuations in velocity and pressure, and is often associated with high levels of energy dissipation and increased drag on objects in the flow.

5. How can we predict and control the type of flow in a system?

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