Lever Formula: F*a=Q*b or Q*a=F*b?

In summary, the lever formula is given by F*a = Q*b, where F is the applied force, a is the distance between the applied force and the fulcrum, Q is the weight of the load, and b is the distance between the load and the fulcrum. This is not the same as F*b = Q*a, as the two equations are not equivalent. The explanation for the lever formula lies in the concept of torque, where the sum of the torques around the pivot point is zero when the system is in equilibrium. To find the force on the other end of the lever, you can use the lever formula to solve for it.
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Is the lever formula ##F*a=Q*b## or ##Q*a=F*b## is it the same thing ? thanks
 
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I think that nobody has responded, because nobody is quite sure what you are talking about. Can you give us some indication of what F, Q, a, and b are supposed to be?
 
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F-force
a-arm of force
b-arm of burden
Q-burden
 
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-Physician said:
F-force
a-arm of force
b-arm of burden
Q-burden

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F                                                           Q
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V                 a                                b       V
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If this is the situation, where 'F' is the applied force, 'a' is the distance between the point where F is applied and the pivot point (fulcrum), 'Q' is the weight of the load, and 'b' is the distance between the load and the fulcrum, then in order for the force applied to exactly balance the load, the equation is:

F*a = Q*b

If you think about it, this is clearly NOT the same as F*b = Q*a, which would be wrong. It's just basic algebra that these two equations are not equivalent. If you have 3*2 = 6*1, this is clearly not the same thing as saying that 3*1 = 6*2. The second equation is clearly wrong.

However, if you are looking for a physical explanation for why the lever formula is true, then it has to do the concept of torque. When the situation is in equilibrium (i.e. the lever is stable and is not falling in either direction), the sum of the torques (τ) around the pivot point is zero. Now, the magnitude of the torque due to the applied force F is given by the magnitude of F multiplied by the perpendicular distance between the pivot point and the point where F is applied. In this case, this distance is a. Hence, the magnitude of the torque due to force F is τF = F*a. Similarly, the torque due to the load is equal to the load force multiplied by the perpendicular distance between the load and the pivot point. τQ = Q*b.

When the system is in equilibrium, the net torque is zero, which means that the two torques are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction, hence they cancel each other out. If they're equal in magnitude, then τF = τQ, and so F*a = Q*b.

If you haven't encountered the concept of torque and you don't know what I'm talking about, then don't worry about it. Just ignore the previous two paragraphs.
 
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there is an arm of length 200 mm which is pivoted at 40 mm. that means we are getting one lengths along pivot as 160 and 40=200. suppose i am applying a force of 10N on extreme end of shorter length. what force i will get on the other extreme end. you can see example at following image
 

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mathuria1986 said:
there is an arm of length 200 mm which is pivoted at 40 mm. that means we are getting one lengths along pivot as 160 and 40=200. suppose i am applying a force of 10N on extreme end of shorter length. what force i will get on the other extreme end. you can see example at following image

Welcome to PF,

Generally, if you have a new topic, it's better to start a new thread rather than add on to somebody else's.

In any case, just use the formula that I discussed above. You have both lengths, and one out of the two forces. There is not reason why you can't use that equation to solve for the second force.
 

FAQ: Lever Formula: F*a=Q*b or Q*a=F*b?

What is the Lever Formula?

The Lever Formula, also known as the Law of the Lever, is a mathematical equation that explains the relationship between force, distance, and torque in a lever system. It states that the product of the force applied to a lever and the distance from the fulcrum to the point of application of the force is equal to the product of the resistance force and its distance from the fulcrum.

What are the variables in the Lever Formula?

The variables in the Lever Formula are force (F), distance (a and b), and torque (Q). These variables represent the amount of force applied, the distance from the fulcrum to the point of application of the force, and the resistance force respectively.

How is the Lever Formula used in science?

The Lever Formula is used in science to calculate the relationship between the force and distance in a lever system. It is commonly used in physics and engineering to understand the mechanics of levers and to design and optimize lever systems for different applications.

Can the Lever Formula be applied to other simple machines?

Yes, the Lever Formula can be applied to other simple machines such as pulleys, wheel and axle, and inclined planes. These machines follow the same principle of balancing forces and distances to achieve equilibrium.

What are some real-world applications of the Lever Formula?

The Lever Formula has many real-world applications, including in construction, manufacturing, and sports. For example, it is used in designing and building seesaws, scissors, and crowbars. It is also used in sports equipment such as baseball bats and golf clubs, where the distance from the fulcrum to the point of application of force can greatly affect the velocity and power of the swing.

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